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No longer Trippin
26-06-2005, 19:27:37
Mother sets fire to daughter's rapist

London: Taking the law in her own hands, a Spanish mother set afire a man who raped her teenaged daughter and allegedly taunted her about the assault, a report here said today.

The rapist Antonio Cosme Velasco Soriano, who later succumbed to injuries, had been sent to jail for nine years in 1998, but was let out on a three-day pass and returned to his home town of Benejuzar, 50 km south of Alicante, on the Costa Blanca.

While there, he passed his victim's mother in the street and allegedly taunted her about the attack. He is said to have called out: "How's your daughter?" before heading into a crowded bar, The Sunday Telegraph reported today.

Shortly after, the woman walked into the bar, poured a bottle of petrol over Soriano and lit a match. She watched as the flames engulfed him, before walking out.

The woman fled to Alicante, where she was arrested the same evening. When she appeared in court the next day in the town of Orihuela, she was cheered and clapped by a crowd, who shouted "Bravo!" and "Well done!" the newspaper reported.

A judge ordered her to be held in prison and undergo psychiatric tests, provoking anger from friends and neighbours, who have set up a petition calling for her release.

Soriano suffered 60 per cent burns in the attack on June 13 and later succumbed to injuries

http://web.mid-day.com/news/world/2005/june/112450.htm

I don't see why she was taken for an eval, I think that's a perfectly acceptable response. He asked how her daughter felt. She probably felt like he should burn in hell, so her mom gave the fool the closest thing.

KrazyHorse@home
26-06-2005, 19:32:07
You're perfectly right; that sounds like a completely sane response.

They should thus have no problems with mental incompetence issues when they put her ass in jail for 10-15 on attempted murder charges.

Kitsuki
26-06-2005, 19:36:59
Attempted? She suceeded according to the article...!

Cruddy
26-06-2005, 19:53:18
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
[B]You're perfectly right; that sounds like a completely sane response.

Then why illegal?

10-15 sounds harsh. He did taunt her. He showed no remorse whatsoever for his crime.

Kitsuki
26-06-2005, 19:59:05
He means sane, as in there are no mitigating reasons for the mother's actions to not count as murder.

The Norks
26-06-2005, 20:17:29
I dont think it would be a good thing for the law to encourage revenge attacks by validating what she did, but still- good on her

Cruddy
26-06-2005, 21:18:50
Originally posted by Kitsuki
He means sane, as in there are no mitigating reasons for the mother's actions to not count as murder.

Ah, but was the intent to kill? Or merely to inflict suffering?

She could get by with a suspended sentence on a manslaughter charge.

KrazyHorse@home
26-06-2005, 23:28:00
Originally posted by Kitsuki
Attempted? She suceeded according to the article...!

Didn't notice that part.

KrazyHorse@home
26-06-2005, 23:30:07
Originally posted by Cruddy
Ah, but was the intent to kill? Or merely to inflict suffering?

She could get by with a suspended sentence on a manslaughter charge.

You pour gasoline on somebody and light them on fire then you have to know that a likely consequence of your actions is the death of the individual involved. Thus, it's murder.

Fuck her. Let her rot in jail. The law protects all of us equally.

MDA
26-06-2005, 23:34:36
yep, that was revenge, not justice

KrazyHorse@home
26-06-2005, 23:35:11
Originally posted by Cruddy
Then why illegal?

Just because a criminal's actions are sane doesn't make them legal. In fact, only sane actions are subject to criminal sanctions.

Shining1
27-06-2005, 00:00:36
Actually I think she could argue she acted under severe provocation... :/

KrazyHorse@home
27-06-2005, 00:08:07
a) So?

b) It's not like she pulled a gun out of her purse and shot him on the street (where one could argue there was no premeditation). She went home, got a bottle of gasoline, got matches, hunted him down, walked into the bar and lit him on fire.

Now that's premeditation.

Like I said: she's a piece of shit murderer. Let her rot in jail.

Provost Harrison
27-06-2005, 00:14:43
Yeah, she should go to prison for murder on this one although perhaps with some account of the circumstances.

Although still, :b: to the woman...

Cruddy
27-06-2005, 00:22:08
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
The law protects all of us equally.

Yeah, like it really protected her daughter.

The bastard won't be raping anymore, and for that I'm happy.

KrazyHorse@home
27-06-2005, 00:45:16
Funny, I seem to have read somewhere in there that he'd been in prison for 9 years on the rape charge.

Gee, I wonder why it's often hard to stop crimes before they occur.

:rolleyes:

The bastard won't be raping anymore, and for that I'm happy.

And I'm going to be happy that the mother is going to spend most of the rest of her life in jail, and will thus have a difficult time murdering anybody else.

KrazyHorse@home
27-06-2005, 00:47:29
They should get me on that jury. I'd convict her in a heartbeat and recommend the maximum allowable sentence.

:beer:

protein
27-06-2005, 01:11:41
Originally posted by The Norks
I dont think it would be a good thing for the law to encourage revenge attacks by validating what she did, but still- good on her
Ditto. It's a terrible yet brilliant thing she did.

Greg W
27-06-2005, 01:38:33
I'm with the mother on this one. Though I think I would have just snapped and killed him when he taunted me. :cute:

protein
27-06-2005, 01:41:12
Me too. It's a tough call. I don't think anyone would know how they would react to that.

Greg W
27-06-2005, 01:46:59
I don't think anyone would know until they were faced with it.

Must admit there's a certain scumbag that I'm dreading meeting one day in case I have a similar reaction. :bash:

protein
27-06-2005, 02:03:34
Remember, a better man would learn some moves before that sort of meeting. Rage alone doesn't win the fight.

Greg W
27-06-2005, 02:05:57
Oh yeah, I know that. In this particular case I think I'm just better of staying a long way away.

And maybe learning a few moves for Justin. :cute:

Provost Harrison
27-06-2005, 09:33:03
Originally posted by protein
Remember, a better man would learn some moves before that sort of meeting. Rage alone doesn't win the fight.

But petrol and a lighter seemed to be pretty effective :p

The Higgelhoff
27-06-2005, 09:40:31
Can of Lynx and a lighter would have been more fun.

LoD
27-06-2005, 09:41:14
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
Now that's premeditation.

Like I said: she's a piece of shit murderer. Let her rot in jail.

That's not premeditation. Premeditation is forethought and planning well in advance. She was clearly acting under extremely strong emotion. No one normal would become indifferent at his/hers daughters raping tauting him/her on the city streety after 5 seconds, which you seem to imply.
Under the same definition from b) a person finding his SO in bed with someone else, going to another room, and taking the pistol from there (and not the same room), would be also acting in premeditation.

Nills Lagerbaak
27-06-2005, 10:16:00
He raped her daugter, she killed him.

Despite the fact that any sort of revenge attack is illegal, these two acts aren't even equivallent.

What next? His family abduct her, torturer her for a week and then kill her?

Provost Harrison
27-06-2005, 10:16:49
I still feel quite glad that such a scumbag has been eliminated...

The Higgelhoff
27-06-2005, 10:21:33
Me too :D

Gary
27-06-2005, 11:04:08
I have considerable sympathy for the mother, but it doesn't make it right. Just makes it easier to understand.

(And I don't believe any diety either wants, nor aids, an attack on one of its creations. It's just too petty and lacking in compassion. That's just for 'God game' players.)

Nills Lagerbaak
27-06-2005, 11:17:02
I don't think I understand at all.... He had been sent to prison for 9 years in 1999, so was looking at a relase round 2008. Did he skip jail on the three day pass or was he going back in a couple of days.
I can undestand how someone must feel if a rapist gets off free but this guy was caught and convicted., Sounds like the mother is fucked up.
I.e. it looks like justice had been done. 9 years' is a long rape sentance.

The Norks
27-06-2005, 11:21:45
Originally posted by Gary
I have considerable sympathy for the mother, but it doesn't make it right. Just makes it easier to understand.

(And I don't believe any diety either wants, nor aids, an attack on one of its creations. It's just too petty and lacking in compassion. That's just for 'God game' players.)

not your wimpy 'love thy neighbour' monotheistic Gods maybe, but you can bet your arse some of the hardcore vengeful pagan gods would :)

Nills Lagerbaak
27-06-2005, 11:33:14
I wouldn't mess with Odin, Thor or Khali

Gary
27-06-2005, 12:03:39
Don't believe in vengeful Gods. Implies they have no self control.

The Norks
27-06-2005, 13:28:21
thats not true at all. Revenge isn't necessarily uncontrolled- that's a very Judaeo-Christian outlook. Hinduism condones war when necessary, and has many examples (like Kali) of gods who have many sides to them, vengeance being just one. If you believe in karma or yin-yang or similar, vengeance is part of a natural order and represents balance. Not all belief systems are about love and light.

Gary
27-06-2005, 15:23:22
I believe vengeance is about punishment, not balance. About a desire to strike out/back. It's a strange sort of diety that needs to induge themselves that way.

Karma in not about vengeance. It's about coping with what you've caused.

The Norks
27-06-2005, 16:20:04
no it isnt. karma is like a law- what goes up must come down- if you are the instrument of that law, so be it

the desire to strike back is not demonised in non christian belief systems. In fact it would be rather odd not to for many. You're looking at deities in a Christianised way- must be benevolent as well as powerful, or that power means restraint and passivity in the face of adversity, has a total and separate consciousness to man. Many deities are actually representatives of facets of human behaviour- if Kali strikes you down, you fucking deserve it because you did something to cause it. If Jupiter blesses you, you have pleased him. Its a totally different mindset.

Gary
27-06-2005, 16:30:46
karma is like a law

That's what I said. Save it's not one imposed, but a natural one.

the desire to strike back is not demonised in non christian belief systems.

Desire is one thing (for an imperfect being). Acting on an unworthy desire is quite another.

You're looking at deities in a Christianised way

*Shrug* I'm just calling it as I personally see it.

Its a totally different mindset.

I'm sure it is, but I'll argue for my viewpoint, my understanding.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
27-06-2005, 22:21:47
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
And I'm going to be happy that the mother is going to spend most of the rest of her life in jail, and will thus have a difficult time murdering anybody else.

Not condoning what she did, but understanding that severe trauma can lead people to do certain things, but this statement above smacks of stupidity. Just how many more men do you think will rape her daughter? How many more times will she be compelled (for whatever reason) to burn someone to death?

Compared with the fact that the victim totally and with a clear mind chose to commit his crime, chose to go back to his home town on his 3-day pass, and chose to taunt her. No remorse there, no rehabilitation, so chances are good he'd reoffend after his 9 years are up.

To the final score is: one potentially habitual rapist off the streets for good, and one possibly mentally ill mother identified either for therapy/cure, or jail time.

I'd say society wins, unfortunately in a break eggs to make omelette type way.


And Karma is a load of crap. It's how some people want the universe to work, doesn't make it true, or common.

Shining1
28-06-2005, 01:17:48
Justice is just Vengence, but all grown up with a college degree. :cute:

The Norks
28-06-2005, 01:24:39
karma karma karma karma karma chameleon...

protein
28-06-2005, 02:06:49
WHen I was a kid I thought it was "cumma cumma cumma cumma cummaka melion". I also thought "System Addict" was "Sistermatic". Like a kind of robotic nun.

Cruddy
28-06-2005, 02:38:55
What's this "when" crap? ;)

Nills Lagerbaak
28-06-2005, 09:56:41
Originally posted by protein
WHen I was a kid I thought it was "cumma cumma cumma cumma cummaka melion". I also thought "System Addict" was "Sistermatic". Like a kind of robotic nun.

Hey I used to think that too, but more like systematic (sp?)

Some how even Sistermatic makes more sense than system addict!

KrazyHorse@home
28-06-2005, 16:30:14
Originally posted by LoD
That's not premeditation. Premeditation is forethought and planning well in advance.

You're full of shit here. :)

Premeditation can occur in the second before you pull the trigger.

KrazyHorse@home
28-06-2005, 16:35:00
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
Not condoning what she did, but understanding that severe trauma can lead people to do certain things, but this statement above smacks of stupidity. Just how many more men do you think will rape her daughter? How many more times will she be compelled (for whatever reason) to burn someone to death?

She wasn't compelled to do anything. She made a choice to end another person's life when neither her life nor the life of her daughter was in danger. Somebody who can make that choice is a dangerous person, and I'll be happy to see her kept away from civil society.

KrazyHorse@home
28-06-2005, 16:42:29
The amount of planning which went into this makes premeditation self-evident. This is neither voluntary manslaughter (as the time elapsed was far longer than that generally associated with "heat of passion") nor is it second-degree murder (as the act was evidently planned ahead, given her acquisition of a deadly weapon and the fact that she hunted him down).

She's guilty of homicide in the first degree.

The Norks
28-06-2005, 17:09:34
Originally posted by protein
WHen I was a kid I thought it was "cumma cumma cumma cumma cummaka melion". I also thought "System Addict" was "Sistermatic". Like a kind of robotic nun.

cumonamelon? thats a porn site isnt it?