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Tizzy
05-06-2005, 21:27:10
(The summary's in the title, now you get the long boring version)

Out of our department of 12 people, 4 of them have left in the last 2 months.
Cue restructure.
As part of said restructure, I got a long awaited promotion. Yay.
I started doing the new job just over 2 months ago.
Due to ongoing recruitment, and my boss being on training/holiday, I've spent the last 2 weeks doing the job of 3 people (you weren't supposed to cheer at my absence ok?).
At the end of the day on Friday I got handed my new contract, saying the new job and (paltry but no less than expected) pay rise would be effective from 1 June.
WTF?
I've been doing the job for 2 months already.
There is apparently no chance of the rise being backdated.

The money amounts to not very much, but it's the principle of the thing which is annoying me. Even putting aside all the times I've been screwed over by this place already over the last few years, over the last few months I've worked my ass off, just cos it had to be done, with little recognition.

And sounds like I've got no chance even though I'm going to kick up a fuss, as I had nothing formal to say when I actually started doing the job.

*sigh*
I need a new job.

Provost Harrison
05-06-2005, 21:29:29
Yes you do...if they have pulled crap on you like this it is no wonder that they have lost a third of their staff...it's worth keeping your eyes open ;)

Spartak
05-06-2005, 21:42:28
Screw getting it in writing, common decency means you should be paid for the work you do. Maybe you should work to rule.

Perhaps you can get a new job near Reading. :cute:

Tizzy
05-06-2005, 21:44:08
Well, I'd already decided to leave later this year, when I move house, but that was before this promotion came up. And after that I thought I'd stay for a while longer.
Now however I'm partly tempted to resign very soon. Practically though I'm better off staying and getting all the training I can out of them.
You'd think they'd value the staff they have left a bit more though....

Spartak
05-06-2005, 21:55:27
As long as you are getting something useful.

I stopped beinga rep over ayear ago and I still can't avoid getting worked up about injustice at work. :mad:;)

Tizzy
05-06-2005, 22:02:01
In one sense I'm annoyed that I'm annoyed?
I've been screwed over several times before and yet I somehow still expected better this time?

*sigh* Anyway, it's pointless resigning just now, until other things are sorted out. It would be very satisfying certainly but ultimately it'd just me me losing out, and there's no sense in that.

The Norks
05-06-2005, 22:06:32
I know how you feel...I've been doing a job at a grade higher than my own for at least 9 months now with the full knowledge of my manager. He initially promised a regrading but has dragged his heels again and again, and now is saying 'he goalposts have shifted' because I am looking for another job (even though its the job that gets graded and not the prson)

I hope he is suitably fucked off when I tell him I've been to HR and they said what he is doing is not right. He's basically trying to punish me for wanting to leave (he's also tried to refuse me expenses for stuff the company is supposed to supply, and thats not to mention the emails containiing insults and personal attacks).....gee wonder why i want to leave when my boss is so reasonable.

Tizzy
05-06-2005, 22:11:09
Well, one of the previous times I'm referring to was a similar situation. I spent approx 6 months trying to get my job regraded to no avail. I then made up my mind to leave and joined another department.
Before I'd even left my old one, they readvertised "my job" (about 70% of what I was doing) at the higher grade I'd been fighting for.

Spartak
05-06-2005, 22:13:15
Originally posted by The Norks
I know how you feel...I've been doing a job at a grade higher than my own for at least 9 months now with the full knowledge of my manager. He initially promised a regrading but has dragged his heels again and again, and now is saying 'he goalposts have shifted' because I am looking for another job (even though its the job that gets graded and not the prson)

I hope he is suitably fucked off when I tell him I've been to HR and they said what he is doing is not right. He's basically trying to punish me for wanting to leave (he's also tried to refuse me expenses for stuff the company is supposed to supply, and thats not to mention the emails containiing insults and personal attacks).....gee wonder why i want to leave when my boss is so reasonable. I hope you are documenting this. Its gold dust for an ET. Have you tried traising a formal grievence, its the alst stage before you can lodge an ET and it sets no end of alarm bells off in HR departments. Might be worth some backdated cash... :cute:

The Norks
05-06-2005, 22:21:36
I have been keeping his emails, and I had an 'offline' chat with HR last week. I also happened to mention that I have had no management so far this year since January. We are meant to have expectations set every quarter and reviewed every quarter. He set some in January, and has only reviewed them once after accusing me of not doing anything (never apologised when I showed otherwise) but they werent formally reviewed, so now we are nearly in Q3 and still no new expectations. He's a lazy tosspot and quite vicious to boot. On my report he said loads of really unprofessional stuff which I think I could complain about too, but in my company if you make waves you get nowhere, so its really hard to know what to do.

whats an ET btw?

Spartak
05-06-2005, 23:20:55
Employment Tribunal. I know what you mean about waves but it surely doesn't matter if you are looking for a better job?

The Norks
06-06-2005, 00:20:44
well I have to be careful. If they started checking my internet usage and emails I'd be out the door no question :cute:

Still, I will be pursuing the regrading and while I've spent the last two years apologising for my existence I've decided enough is enough, so next time he starts on me he'll regret opening his fat toad like mouth.

Spartak
06-06-2005, 00:26:42
go girl!

Tizzy
06-06-2005, 00:29:06
I've spent the last couple of hours tinkering with my CV :beer:
I'm not going to use it for a few months yet but it's made me feel marginally better.

Spartak
06-06-2005, 00:32:43
Cool. Why don't you post it here so we can *cough* help *cough* you?

Tizzy
06-06-2005, 00:41:16
Hmm, ok.

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zmama
06-06-2005, 00:45:24
Yer HIRED!

Tizzy
06-06-2005, 00:59:29
Yaay! :beer: When do I start?!

zmama
06-06-2005, 01:18:15
Wednesday

Tizzy
06-06-2005, 01:26:36
I don't like Wednesdays.
Can I start on Tuesday instead?

devilmunchkin
06-06-2005, 04:31:50
kinda been in the same boat as you guys: they've got everyone in that company brainwashed to the point where they think that any small raise you get is just awesome..and anyone who complains about the work load vs pay or what they're doing compared to other ppl (i get paid less than other ppl who have the same job title but do at least 10 times more than they do. they're only reasoning is that these ppl have more "experience"). ...you get harrassed, threatened and treated like dog crap. you're basically told keep your head down, work and shut up.
Been trying to get myself out of my work situation as well, may take a bit though.

sexylady
06-06-2005, 10:02:54
you should remember this:
being happy doesn't mean that everything is perfect. It is you have decided to see life beyond the imperfections. don't say you are happy because everything is ok. be happy because everything SUCKS but you are fine. :) ;) :p :cute:

Tizzy
06-06-2005, 11:12:16
It gets worse now I've actually read the contract.

Previously I've always been on a notice period of one month.
The new contract says it's now "The greater of one month, or one week per year of service".
So that makes 6 weeks, probably 7 by the time I actually leave, which is excessive for a job at my level.

Hopefully I can negotiate it but I'm not happy at all.

Venom
06-06-2005, 13:11:34
Now that part really sucks.

mr.G
06-06-2005, 13:22:26
Originally posted by Tizzy
I don't like Wednesdays.
Can I start on Tuesday instead? yaaaaay never ever start at Nohotdogday

Japher
06-06-2005, 15:46:48
My job sucks too... I have nothing, or little, to do
but everyone is running around like they are really busy
but they aren't
they are just scared that they are going to get laid off
which they probably will be
So I draw pictures
post here in other places
and just count my blessings that I am still being paid to job hunt

job security has gone to hell
not like my pay was all that good
house is undergoing construction I can't afford
Baby is coming end of August
Need job

Ain't it always nice to know that no matter how bad you have
Japher has it worse?

Yaaay!

The Norks
06-06-2005, 19:00:57
Originally posted by Tizzy
It gets worse now I've actually read the contract.

Previously I've always been on a notice period of one month.
The new contract says it's now "The greater of one month, or one week per year of service".
So that makes 6 weeks, probably 7 by the time I actually leave, which is excessive for a job at my level.

Hopefully I can negotiate it but I'm not happy at all.

just mention the human rights act. They'll shit themselves.

Lurker the Second
06-06-2005, 19:17:15
Where you moving to Tizzy? Huh, huh?

Japher
06-06-2005, 20:25:49
To Redding of course!

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
06-06-2005, 21:16:51
If you do have to give an excessive amount of notice, try what my colleague did back in the crappiest job I ever had. Submit your vacation plans, and when they're approved, give notice. I believe he had 4 weeks saved up, and had to give four weeks notice. He went straight into the new job and was drawing two paychecks for a month.

Course, as I was the only programmer left, all his duties fell to me, but I was only a month and a half behind him, and most of my day was spent staring inertly at a monitor until 2PM, went out for 150% of my allotted luch time, then more monitor staring until it was time to leave.

On another front, I stupidly gave 8 weeks notice to my previous employer as a nice gesture to give them plenty of time to find someone with good SQL skills to replace me with. They hired someone Monday of week 8, and he had no SQL programming skills, and my final task was supposed to be train him. In a week.

Provost Harrison
06-06-2005, 21:46:07
With US employment benefits, it must have taken him years to save that much time :p

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 00:34:30
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
If you do have to give an excessive amount of notice, try what my colleague did back in the crappiest job I ever had. Submit your vacation plans, and when they're approved, give notice. I believe he had 4 weeks saved up, and had to give four weeks notice. He went straight into the new job and was drawing two paychecks for a month.



I'd have to stay for years to accrue enough leave to do that. Having spent too many years working too much and not taking all my leave I've got a new policy now :)

I'm going to sort out a meeting with HR and my boss for later in the week. I don't really expect it'll do me any good but I have to let them know how I feel anyway.


Oh, and full marks to the man with the beaver avatar :cute:

Greg W
07-06-2005, 00:45:33
Heh, become a bus driver. Then you answer to no-one.* You also never get promotions, but you can't have everything.

*statement may not be entirely true

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 00:47:23
*One of my friends is a bus driver. Statement is entirely untrue.

Greg W
07-06-2005, 00:49:44
Hmph, must be different there. Here, as long as you do your work, you answer to nobody really. Well, except the stupid questions from the public, but you learn to just say "no" a lot.

Funko
07-06-2005, 09:07:51
She needs to earn more than that if she's going to earn enough for me to give up work and laze around the house all day doing nothing.

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 09:21:31
Keep dreaming.

Funko
07-06-2005, 09:21:50
Ok.

mr.G
07-06-2005, 09:28:15
Originally posted by Funko
She needs to earn more than that if she's going to earn enough for me to give up work and laze around the house all day doing nothing. and learn Dutch while playing nitro something

Funko
07-06-2005, 09:32:24
Why would I need to learn Dutch again?

mr.G
07-06-2005, 09:35:20
point


maybe you can start some different dialects starting with Roosendaels

Funko
07-06-2005, 09:39:56
Next I think I might learn American.

mr.G
07-06-2005, 09:40:56
you know

Funko
07-06-2005, 09:46:33
Reckon I do.

mr.G
07-06-2005, 09:52:50
The language of the land of the DooooDiDoooo

Spartak
07-06-2005, 09:56:16
:eek:

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 15:41:23
Originally posted by Lurker the Second
Where you moving to Tizzy? Huh, huh?

Ahem?

Funko
07-06-2005, 15:42:49
Lurker, she answered that here:


Originally posted by Tizzy
Oh, and full marks to the man with the beaver avatar :cute:

mr.G
07-06-2005, 15:43:58
Keep dreaming.

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 15:44:32
Well I'm just too damned stupid. I couldn't figure out who the man is with the beaver avatar.

Funko
07-06-2005, 15:45:42
It's ok, we know.

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 15:45:44
Well I assume it's meant to be a beaver, from the title and all.

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 15:47:00
Originally posted by mr.G
Keep dreaming.

of a white christmas?

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 15:47:55
:lol: that's one fucked up looking beaver. Well, when's the move?

Funko
07-06-2005, 15:48:08
Septemberish

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 15:49:48
Well I hope for all that's good and decent in the world she had better sense than to move in with you.

Funko
07-06-2005, 15:50:58
She's not that stupid.

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 15:51:11
There is nothing good and decent in the world

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 15:56:25
Puppies?

Funko
07-06-2005, 15:56:51
:bouncmsk: :bouncmsk:

Venom
07-06-2005, 15:56:58
Pie is good and decent.

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 15:57:59
Yeah, and what about beer?

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 15:58:52
Beer is the root of all evil, I've told you that before

Funko
07-06-2005, 15:59:06
Beer and pie are both bad and indecent, you can tell that because they are nice.

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 16:01:40
By that logic, Venom is decent, then.

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 16:03:21
Logic failure

Venom
07-06-2005, 16:07:47
Yeah, if bad and indecent equals nice, I must be nice. The very thought of being nice sickens me.

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 16:10:07
I'm confused.

Good and decent = not nice
Bad and indecent = nice

But I'm bad, indecent and not nice

Venom
07-06-2005, 16:12:25
We're leaving one important variable out of the equation. Funko=retarded.

Lurker the Second
07-06-2005, 16:13:24
That could be the missing link that Einstein was seeking.

Japher
07-06-2005, 16:24:28
It's a monkey talking on a banana like it's a telephone... I think joncha drew it.

Raaaaaaaar, Beaver is from my first avatar which was a beaver... then it was that hot chick deep throating a banana, and I felt the title worked... now it just is.

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 16:26:27
People with misleading titles should be banned and subjected to cruel and unusual punishments.

Funko
07-06-2005, 16:29:27
Like being forced to not be banned and post more?

Tizzy
07-06-2005, 16:31:18
Cruel maybe, but it's not really unusual.

Japher
07-06-2005, 16:31:23
that would suck

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
08-06-2005, 02:34:01
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
With US employment benefits, it must have taken him years to save that much time :p

Only one, in the merry ol' land of Oz. One of the many, many things I am unhappy to have given up. That, and a four day weekend over Easter.

Japher
08-06-2005, 16:57:19
I was having an okay day yesterday, then, as I was driving home I started thinking, should I sell this stock of mine? It hasn't been doing to well, but I am still up, and it pays a nice yield... then, the guys on the radio start talking about that stock, and say to sell it like a hot dog.

As I was listening to this a started to park in front of my house and BAM! I took of my rear view mirror on the tree.

I'm a moron.

and I'm keeping the stock.

mr.G
08-06-2005, 17:20:10
:lol:

a hot dog story at nohotdogday are forbidden tho

Tizzy
08-06-2005, 17:23:32
Update:

works still sucks.

I'm sure you've been waiting eagerly to hear that.

mr.G
08-06-2005, 17:31:57
jes jes
tell us

Tizzy
08-06-2005, 17:33:04
maņana

MDA
08-06-2005, 17:41:57
manana, manana, amare, manana

mr.G
08-06-2005, 17:45:27
tuuuut tuuuu
tuuuuut tuuuuut tuuutuuuu

Japher
08-06-2005, 17:46:26
I gots your banana!

You silly monkey!

Lurker the Second
08-06-2005, 18:22:39
Originally posted by mr.G
:lol:

a hot dog story at nohotdogday are forbidden tho

A new glossary suggestion:

Nonhotdogday: (n.) Wednesday.

Japher
08-06-2005, 19:45:31
It's Thursday somewhere....

Tizzy
09-06-2005, 09:35:40
Thursday's worse.
Although I'm sure today must be Friday.

The Higgelhoff
09-06-2005, 09:49:14
I found out yesterday that I didn't get the job I was waiting to hear back from. ARGHHH!

Before I started looking for jobs in IT - I had a 100% interview/job record. Now I've been rejected by two companies. :cry:

Funko
09-06-2005, 09:51:58
Hey, that's still hardly any. Keep going for them. :beer:

The Higgelhoff
09-06-2005, 09:59:16
I thought the interview went really well. I was in for an hour but he didn't ask any technical questions or ask me about past experience so I didn't really get a chance to sell myself. The interview was basically, explaining the job to me and asking if this was ok. I tried to answer in a way that brought up past experiences or tried to relate them to my education background.

I think the only thing that let me down was the fact I had a family. He kept asking me if travelling down to London and staying overnight at various locations. I said that it defintely wouldn't be a problem - but he was insistent that it effected his marriage.

A shame really as I know I could have done the job standing on my head and it would have gave me valuable experience.

Funko
09-06-2005, 10:06:12
I remember you saying about that at the time. That sounds like he was a poor interviewer, and possibly his preconceptions went against you but that doesn't mean you won't get the next one.

The Higgelhoff
09-06-2005, 10:07:33
The guy was dick to be fair. He promised a phone call within 2 days. I never got one. Everytime I rang he was always 'with someone' and said he'd get back in touch. I just don't think he had the guts to speak to me in person.

Funko
09-06-2005, 10:07:56
You're better off not working for him then.

Funko
09-06-2005, 10:08:20
- and getting a similar/better job with someone better in the future.

mr.G
09-06-2005, 10:09:37
:beer: :beer: Matt
you miss nothing, see the interview as experience
and if you feel down GO KICK A SEAGULL, that's fun

The Higgelhoff
09-06-2005, 10:10:45
I'm considering starting off right at the bottom at the moment and getting a Helpdesk job. I know it's not pleasant but at least it will give me some much needed experience in the IT field. It will mean taking a hefty paycut though :(

mr.G
09-06-2005, 10:30:49
that's the spirit,
a friend of mine walk that path and is a bloody manager now.

mr.G
09-06-2005, 10:31:23
and you know it.


feeling a bit down
KICK A SEAGULL, that's fun

Funko
09-06-2005, 10:33:58
If you lived in seagull street, think of the seagulls you could kick

mr.G
09-06-2005, 10:36:57
wow yaaay your live should be fun.

it is more fun than begeading an eskimo you know

The Higgelhoff
09-06-2005, 10:37:33
I think I'll have to kick a pigeon. They're more common and they don't fear anything so it's an easier target.

Funko
09-06-2005, 10:39:16
If you lived in pigeon street, think of the pigeons you could kick with your feet

mr.G
09-06-2005, 10:39:38
pigeon-kicking is very ZEN

The Higgelhoff
09-06-2005, 10:40:25
...and drive a truck like this!

http://www.thechestnut.com/pigeon/clara.jpg

Funko
09-06-2005, 10:41:50
Ah. Long distance Clara.

mr.G
09-06-2005, 10:42:07
Originally posted by Funko
If you lived in pigeon street, think of the pigeons you could kick with your feet :lol:


what about prince Charles street

Funko
09-06-2005, 10:45:47
I haven't heard of that.

- cos he has big ears get it?

mr.G
09-06-2005, 10:48:31
yaaaay dangerous very dangerous.
he could fly to Holland if you kick him well, so prince Charles in nonkickable from now on.

Venom
09-06-2005, 13:40:54
Originally posted by Funko
I haven't heard of that.

- cos he has big ears get it?

Back away from the keyboard.

Tizzy
09-06-2005, 14:14:19
You're years too late with that advice

Funko
09-06-2005, 14:15:01
If he'd come up with that a few years ago you could have been saved.

Tizzy
09-06-2005, 14:15:52
Venom, you bastard!!

Funko
09-06-2005, 14:17:03
dingding

mr.G
09-06-2005, 14:18:39
yaaaaay an atlantic go go gadget dingding kick

Venom
09-06-2005, 14:22:35
So all those years ago at SMAC you'd have listened had I said that?