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Beta1
01-06-2005, 21:57:54
Is sen-fucking-sational.

Easily the best thing I've seen in a long time. Every film noir cliche present and correct, shot & cut brilliantly, the violence beautifully choreographed and the girls.... well lets say if girls and guns are your thing the middle of this film was made for you. Venom go and see it now.

And the bad guy at the end looks like Robin Cook.

What more could you want.

Even my girlfriend loved it.

Debaser
01-06-2005, 22:18:15
Let me be the first to say...
http://www.counterglow.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27422

Beta1
01-06-2005, 22:25:48
well its not my fault you guys saw it waaay before it came out in the UK cinemas!

But if ever a film was wasted on a small screen this is it.

Funko
02-06-2005, 09:24:23
Wanna go and see it.

Nav
02-06-2005, 09:50:43
same here!

MOBIUS
02-06-2005, 13:20:43
I'll be seeing it today!:beer:

MOBIUS
03-06-2005, 00:47:37
This movie was FUCKIN' A!:bounce:

Brilliant!

9/10

BigGameHunter
06-06-2005, 03:28:57
Case closed.
US gratuitous=UK cool.

Best example I can think of, recently.

I was entertained, but found it over the top and disjointed. *shrug*

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 13:19:53
Ha, I seem to be the only one who thinks these "style over substance" uber violent films, are over top and gratuitous.
(Kill Bill, Sin City, etc. ect.)

I shall not be seeing it.

MOBIUS
06-06-2005, 13:29:12
Well it was disjointed, much of it was unnecessary and I had a curious sense of time dragging towards the end - DEFINITELY style over substance!

But what style!!!:love:

(Hey I only gave it 9/10...:cute: )

King_Ghidra
06-06-2005, 13:51:35
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Ha, I seem to be the only one who thinks these "style over substance" uber violent films, are over top and gratuitous.
(Kill Bill, Sin City, etc. ect.)

I shall not be seeing it.

mmm, i didn't like kill bill much. That said, i'm going to see sin city tomorrow so i'll reserve judgement until i have (and i think you should too).

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 13:55:55
I haven't said a thing about Sin City, other than I'm not going to see it.
I did make a comment on what I see as a particular trend of film. Didn't the director also do from dusk till dawn? Now I know you can't judge the work of a director on his other offerings but apart from Salma Hayek getting jiggy, that was a complete waste of my time :)

King_Ghidra
06-06-2005, 13:58:02
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
I haven't said a thing about Sin City, other than I'm not going to see it.

Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
I seem to be the only one who thinks these "style over substance" uber violent films, are over top and gratuitous.
(Kill Bill, Sin City, etc. ect.)

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 13:59:57
OK, ok, I think I know enough about it to state with a certain amount of certainty that it is style over substance.

Funko
06-06-2005, 14:05:02
As well as From Dusk Till Dawn also made Spy Kids (dicey kids movie), The Faculty (awesome modern b movie) and El Mariachi (classic), I don't think you could comfortably put them all into the same genre.

Probably shouldn't judge a directors potential future from a single film.

Funko
06-06-2005, 14:07:17
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
OK, ok, I think I know enough about it to state with a certain amount of certainty that it is style over substance.

Can you be a bit more patronising and smug?

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 14:07:55
That's what I said.

El Mariachi wasn't very good, neither was Once upon a time in Mexico.

Funny, I can't think of one decent movie based on a comic....

Funko
06-06-2005, 14:09:09
Do you like comics or think they are generally boring and nerdy?

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 14:09:21
"Ok, Ok" was because I realised I had made a comment on Sin City.

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 14:10:33
Originally posted by Funko
Do you like comics or think they are generally boring and nerdy?

I like Viz, I think that's great. Really must get round to watching "The fat slags"

Funko
06-06-2005, 14:15:20
The ok ok wasn't the bit I was referring to.

You seem to have decided that because it is stylish it must have no substance. That could well be true but it's a bit harsh to judge that without seeing it. And it seems fair enough that K_G suggests that judging before one sees it is a bit premature and I'm not sure how you can dismiss his sensible point in such a superior manner.

MOBIUS
06-06-2005, 14:19:11
Especially after saying that you must get round to watching "The Fat Slags"...:p

Funko
06-06-2005, 14:21:41
I assume that was a joke. Even Viz disowned that movie it was so bad.

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 14:25:58
Yeah, I know nothing about it, but it may re-enfirce my opinion that some comics I like, most movies of comics I don't.

There comes a point where you have to make a decision based on past experience and what little you have heard from other people on whether you want to see a film or not. Otherwise you'd be seeing every film and walking away saying, damn I knew I shouldn't have seen that. I explained the reason why I wouldn't be going to see it. I may be wrong but...
Anyway, I'm just pissed off with people looking at me funny when I say I'm not going to see it....yadda yadda I don't really give a toss. enough!

King_Ghidra
06-06-2005, 14:28:35
they're not just looking at you funny because of that :cute:

Nills Lagerbaak
06-06-2005, 14:36:59
Envy can make people look very funny :D

protein
06-06-2005, 14:43:24
I'm with Nills. I haven't seen a decent Robert Rodriguez film although his book was interesting. I've never seen a good cartoon adapted movie either. You can keep your Dick Tracys and your Batman and Robin. I'm not a nine year old American kid. It has no relevance to me.

Maybe they'll do a Bash Street Kids movie? They could cast Dean Gaffney as Plug.

Debaser
06-06-2005, 19:53:25
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Ha, I seem to be the only one who thinks these "style over substance" uber violent films, are over top and gratuitous.
(Kill Bill, Sin City, etc. ect.)

I shall not be seeing it.

Many a time I've sat round your house and been made to watch uber violent, style over substance films... most recently that film of Matts about some Samurai's and time travelling and shit.

protein
06-06-2005, 20:36:07
That sounds like substance to me.

Debaser
06-06-2005, 20:44:08
:lol:

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-06-2005, 21:18:13
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak

Funny, I can't think of one decent movie based on a comic....

"Ghost World"
The Tim Burton Batman films.
"The X Men"
"Akira"

protein
06-06-2005, 21:21:44
There you go. Laz agrees.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-06-2005, 21:29:35
I realise they're a bit low on homoerotic martial arts couplings, but they still have merits.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-06-2005, 21:31:39
Will opinions change with the rise of films based on British comics? We've already had "From Hell" (though it deviated massively from the comic), and we'll soon get "The Watchmen" which will make Noisy weep hot tears of joy.

King_Ghidra
07-06-2005, 08:57:14
or depending on the implementation, cold tears of pain

Kitsuki
07-06-2005, 12:35:43
I thought Sin City was ace. The stories were all a tad disjointed, but the style was ace.

MOBIUS
07-06-2005, 12:52:10
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Will opinions change with the rise of films based on British comics? We've already had "From Hell" (though it deviated massively from the comic), and we'll soon get "The Watchmen" which will make Noisy weep hot tears of joy.

According to Variety Mag this has just been canned by Paramount...:(

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-06-2005, 21:51:20
Ah, well. "V for Vendetta" is on the way too.

BigGameHunter
08-06-2005, 01:08:16
I don't see how you could do anything but royally screw up Watchmen, personally.

I think the trailers for Fantastic Four look quite promising in a very popcorny sort of way!

And if it wasn't for all that great t & a in Sin City, it would have put me to sleep I think.

King_Ghidra
08-06-2005, 09:00:15
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
I don't see how you could do anything but royally screw up Watchmen, personally.

agreed

half of the power of the comic was the particular subversion of the comic concept and the use of techniques which particularly relied on the comic format, e.g the symmetry issue which had a symmetrical pattern to the panels and the content of the panels exactly mirrored throughout the comic.

BigGameHunter
08-06-2005, 19:50:33
Is a cigar ever just a smoke for you?

Lord only knows what sort of mental gymnastics are required before you can even flush a simple dump down the loo--slide rules, density tests, aroma metrics, etc....

My God, man, lighten up already!

MOBIUS
08-06-2005, 20:27:10
Aroma metrics...:lol:

BigGameHunter
08-06-2005, 20:29:25
TM.

jsorense
08-06-2005, 23:46:11
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
slide rules, Dude, you really are old, anen't you?:eek:

BigGameHunter
09-06-2005, 21:28:11
Well, I was going to say an approximated length of vine, but it didn't have the same ring to it.

MOBIUS
09-06-2005, 22:32:46
abacus?

BigGameHunter
09-06-2005, 22:49:17
Hell, Abba fucks, but I promised them I wouldn't tell anyone!

King_Ghidra
10-06-2005, 09:10:53
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
Is a cigar ever just a smoke for you?


sorry no, i ain't wired that way

but to get back on the subject, i went to see sin city last night...


***SPOLIERS AND ALL THAT SHIT***

Overall i thought it was very impressive, but manly as an excercise in capturing the very unique style and atmosphere of the comics.

As a film, much of it was poor, particularly the middle section with clive owen and the girls, which just seemed a level of ridiculousness above the rest of the film. Sure, it was hardly a realistic film, far from it, but this section was really stupid in places - and had far and away the worst dialogue.

However the brief first, longer second and last sections were superb on the whole i thought. Marv was brilliant, well done to mickey rourke.

The visual effects were spot on. There were some great still images showing off the lighting contrast. Also loved the pieces with the silhouettes and the shots with marv covered in the white plasters and stuff like that.

The bad bits were all the bits that bore the hallmark of tarantino, the 'comedy violence' and cool for the sake of cool shit which is so so tired.

Funko
10-06-2005, 09:46:28
Yeah, the middle bit was the bit that Tarantino worked on.

novacane
10-06-2005, 13:44:49
I think these comics might make for "interesting" films

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=uscc_part1

Funko
10-06-2005, 13:46:16
:lol:

BigGameHunter
10-06-2005, 19:40:17
Ha ha...that's a good one.