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Lazarus and the Gimp
27-05-2005, 09:08:03
Anyone remember how, a few months back, I made a stressed thread here banging on about how I had an impossibly short time-scale to deliver my project at work? To cut a long story short, I had to do about three month's work in three weeks to meet the rollout deadline of early March.

Well I'm still on that project, and I'm actually no further to finishing. You see, the new system architecture and platform that I have to deliver and design the training for, is still being written.

I was expecting to go back to work for an early July roll-out, but I've just been told that it's.......wait for it......November. I should have been working on this (critical) project for six weeks in total, but it now looks like being nearly a year. It's taking over my life.

IT development baffles me. I'm always impressed at how these contractors manage to turn six months of work into three years of work.

Funko
27-05-2005, 09:38:44
It's not always the developers fault often it's their managers/sales guys promising stuff that just can't be delivered in the kind of timescales.

There is also a bit of a conflict if contractors are hired on an hourly rate until the job's done. If I was bringing in outside IT development I would have to be very well convinced to do anything other than pay on a fixed fee for the job basis.

mr.G
27-05-2005, 09:42:32
yep, it's the billed by the hour thingy.
The IT branche uses the lawyertricks.

Oerdin
27-05-2005, 09:53:40
You hear horror stories in all the magazines about how the client makes unreasonable/impossible demands yet the commissioned salesman just wants his cash so he promises the moon and the stars. Then the IT guy looks at the time table and starts laughing.

Funko
27-05-2005, 09:54:39
Sales people tend to say "Yes" first and ask later.

mr.G
27-05-2005, 09:54:51
Yes

mr.G
27-05-2005, 09:55:52
What do you like to drink?

Funko
27-05-2005, 09:57:52
Yes

Funko
27-05-2005, 09:58:18
Can you build a bridge in Doooodidoooesburg?

Oerdin
27-05-2005, 09:58:28
You can PM one to me now if you'd like.

mr.G
27-05-2005, 09:58:36
Deal

Dyl Ulenspiegel
27-05-2005, 09:59:50
I can offer you an instant bridge.

mr.G
27-05-2005, 10:00:25
Bridge on a rope?

Funko
27-05-2005, 10:00:35
How much?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
27-05-2005, 10:01:06
999.999.- Dong.

Funko
27-05-2005, 10:02:07
Ding!

mr.G
27-05-2005, 10:03:48
Hmmmmm I like a fine bridge for my gardengnomes.

Funko
27-05-2005, 10:05:51
Have you got a Yoda gnome?

mr.G
27-05-2005, 10:06:37
jes jes in my garden.

Lazarus and the Gimp
27-05-2005, 10:31:36
Originally posted by Funko
It's not always the developers fault often it's their managers/sales guys promising stuff that just can't be delivered in the kind of timescales.



I'm working directly with the developers, and they're definitely taking the piss. The question "when will this be ready?" posed directly to a developer always attracts an answer of 4 days time, regardless of how many times you've asked them the same question on exactly the same issue.

Funko
27-05-2005, 10:36:40
Are they paid by the day?

King_Ghidra
27-05-2005, 11:11:21
if the developers are allowed to get away with it, then it's their managers who are to blame

Nills Lagerbaak
27-05-2005, 11:17:51
Sales vs Development. The age old struggle continues....

sexylady
27-05-2005, 11:57:32
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Sales vs Development. The age old struggle continues....

o oh! i smell something ... :nervous:

Nills Lagerbaak
27-05-2005, 12:00:27
eh? I don't.

Funko
27-05-2005, 12:01:40
Did you lay an egg again?

Nills Lagerbaak
27-05-2005, 12:05:54
:lol:

I don't think I'll ever forget that!

My old boss walks up to me and says

"Excellent, the UAT is completed, now were just waiting for you to lay an egg, then we'll go live"


What a twat!

Drekkus
27-05-2005, 13:29:02
Originally posted by Funko
Can you build a bridge in Doooodidoooesburg? Aaaah, very good comparison to IT projects.
When building a bridge, you have a starting point (A) and a point at the other end of the water (B). So there are 2 fixed points. With an IT project, very often the builder, who is halfway of building the bridge, is told the point B is to move a mile further inland. The customer doesn't realise that that changes the whole design of the plan, with the extra costs involved.

mr.G
27-05-2005, 13:33:59
ahaaaaa Drekkus the IT specialist.
one bullet two kills

Venom
27-05-2005, 13:36:55
Excellent analogy.

Funko
27-05-2005, 13:39:11
And the point A is also moved a mile the other way downstream and you are told that the entire thing has to be a bridge you can't move the roads that take you to the bridge at point A or B even though those roads now go to the old start and destination and the bridge is now in a totally new place.

Drekkus
27-05-2005, 13:39:47
:lol: yes.