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Drekkus
03-05-2005, 00:23:36
OK, you have one night (EU time) to answer this: what are the must see things in California?

After the crappy time, we're planning a fly and drive trip to California, Nevada and Arizona. I'd like to see San Fransisco, LA, Grand Canyon and Las Vegas. What else should I be going for? I've seen a nice trip including the abovementioned places, Bryce Canyon, Zion National Park, Colorado River and some other places. What should I definately not miss?

Japher
03-05-2005, 00:24:44
That's a lot of driving. How long do you have?

Drekkus
03-05-2005, 00:27:23
Two weeks in California. One week in Miami.

You can't read dutch, but I guess you can read the trip's places:

http://www.wrc.nl/AVS041210.htm

Greg W
03-05-2005, 00:30:36
I'd suggest Yosemite National Park. It's really perty. From memory it's about a 1/2 day drive (or maybe a bit less) inland from San Fran.

Japher
03-05-2005, 00:39:50
San Francisco: Golden Gate Bridge, Fisherman's Warf (Trolley's!), Coit Tower, Union Square (the other end of the Trolley), China Town, Height District (for hippies)... If it's a nice day I just go and hang out at a pub around Golden gate park in the Richmond District (but that ain't to tourit like)

Eat at House of Nanking for lunch (in China town across from Copala's offices), Gordon Biersch is nice for dinner (it's under the bay bridge on the water and just down the street from Pac Bell Park), also The Cheesecake Factory on top of Macy's has great views, and nice shopping around that area. If you have a chance Marin is nice, but would take a day.

The national parks are kewl, I've been to them all. My grandpa was a nut about them. Just rocks though.

LA sucks. Hollywood is a hell hole, and driving there sucks. Just do the tourist stuff, Oerdin probably knows best what to do down there.

Yosemite is 1hour out of Fresno and/or Modesto which is 3 hours from SF. It is nice.

Lompoc? Why?

I like Monterey, the aquarium is nice and that whole Canery Row is the shiznit.

I also like Santa Cruz, the Boardwalk is fun, there are always college hotties playing volleyball, and the clam chowder and seafood on Stagnero's peir is awesome.

Don't come to San Jose... nothing to see here.

Marine World is in Vallejo (30 minutes north of SF) if you like parks... they have Shamoo and rides and tigers...

Sir Penguin
03-05-2005, 00:53:21
Jsorense's house. Especially the living room window.

SP

MOBIUS
03-05-2005, 01:06:02
I totally recommend Tucson (http://www.visittucson.org/listings/index.cfm?catID=18&hit=1&ContentID=103&Reset=0) - but it is probably too far away for you...

We did Tucson to SF in 10 days, it was a bit of a rush but we managed to see all the major sites.

The Itinerary was:

Tucson, Biosphere 2, Sedona, Big Crater thingy near Flagstaff, Navaho & Hopi reservations, Monument Valley, Lowell Observatory (where Pluto was discovered), Route 66, Grand Canyon, London Bridge :D, Hoover Dam, Las Vegas, Death Valley, Lone Pine, Moro Lake, Mt Whitney, Giant Sequoia Natl Park, Hearst Castle, Big Sur, SF!

I have some pictures and amateur reviews of a lot of those places, a lot of which are unfinished but give you the idea here... (http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/m/46eb4/)

You'll have a brilliant time! :beer:

MOBIUS
03-05-2005, 01:15:16
Err actually it was 14 days...

Japher
03-05-2005, 01:56:32
Sedona is nice, so is Hearst Castle... Sounds like you did Highway 1 MOB, nice drive... takes a little longer though.

Greg W
03-05-2005, 02:02:54
Originally posted by Japher
San Francisco: Golden Gate Bridge, Fisherman's Warf (Trolley's!), Coit Tower, Union Square (the other end of the Trolley), China Town, Height District (for hippies)... If it's a nice day I just go and hang out at a pub around Golden gate park in the Richmond District (but that ain't to tourit like)

Eat at House of Nanking for lunch (in China town across from Copala's offices), Gordon Biersch is nice for dinner (it's under the bay bridge on the water and just down the street from Pac Bell Park), also The Cheesecake Factory on top of Macy's has great views, and nice shopping around that area. If you have a chance Marin is nice, but would take a day.I can't believe you forgot Alcatraz, Dammit! :bash:

Japher
03-05-2005, 02:04:59
eh?

Alcatraz takes a good chunk of the day

Greg W
03-05-2005, 02:06:25
Oh, in LA, Mann's Chinese Theatre was nice, as was the sidewalk with all the stars in it (forget the proper name for it). Hmm, Rodeo drive was interesting just to see what it's like, though I don't know I'd go out of my way. I did go and see a baseball game in LA - that was cool. Universal Stiduos/Disneyland were both nice to have gone and seen, though I probably wouldn't go back.

Agree with Japher tho that in general, LA is a hole. Far too "big city" for my liking.

Greg W
03-05-2005, 02:07:21
Originally posted by Japher
eh?

Alcatraz takes a good chunk of the day I know, but it freaken rocks. He may have anything up to 3 or 4 days in San Fran (unless I am misreading things), so I'd go see it.

Greg W
03-05-2005, 02:09:32
Ooh, and I did liek Solvang. Though, being dutch, you'll probably just be bored there. It's a little place where a lot of dutch immigrants settled, and there's a heap of dutch stuff for sale there. I thought it was cool.

And if you're going to drive from San Fran to LA, take the Coast Road. Beautiful drive. Even saw some seals in the wild when I drove down there.

MOBIUS
03-05-2005, 02:11:43
Avoiding Alcatraz, commenting on the time it takes to drive Big Sur - I don't think Japher actually wants us to see any of the big sights!;)

Greg W
03-05-2005, 02:14:10
Who's this "us" then? You Drekkus' girlfriend in disguise? :hmm:

MOBIUS
03-05-2005, 02:15:01
:cute:

:nervous:

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
03-05-2005, 03:22:06
I'd like to third LA being a hole.

I have to agree with almost all of what Japher says, including not much to see in San Jose, although you can drive past such wonderful sights as: the eBay sign, drive across the Stanford Linear Accelerator, see the NASA Ames Research Center.

The Boardwalk is fun, and LoC loves the chowder at Monterey's Fisherman's Wharf.


I've seen a nice trip including the abovementioned places, Bryce Canyon, Zion National Park, Colorado River and some other places.


I think I went on that trip. 10 days, touring the Western US, it was quite good. Visited all the places you mentioned, too.

Sedona was funny, in a sad kind of alternate lifestyle kind of way. Scenery's nice, though. The tour I mentioned above went through, so if it's the same one Drekkus is talking about, it'll include a visit.

Death Valley's great. Very warm, really isolated... lovely. Plus it's got a cool name!

jsorense
03-05-2005, 03:24:19
Originally posted by Greg W
Ooh, and I did liek Solvang. Though, being dutch, you'll probably just be bored there. It's a little place where a lot of dutch immigrants settled, and there's a heap of dutch stuff for sale there. I thought it was cool.

And if you're going to drive from San Fran to LA, take the Coast Road. Beautiful drive. Even saw some seals in the wild when I drove down there. Its Danish you twit!:rolleyes:
And another National Park you might want to take in is the Sequoia-Kings Canyon National Park. Highway 1 through Big Sur is impressive. The last time I drove it we saw a pod of Orcas out in the ocean.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
03-05-2005, 03:25:34
Go visit jsorense. As you can see, he's a GREAT tour guide. In fact, make him drive you around the West for the whole 2 weeks. He loves socializing.

jsorense
03-05-2005, 03:28:43
Oh, hey, what time of year is this going to be? I want to make sure when it would be safe to visit Holland.

Greg W
03-05-2005, 03:31:33
Originally posted by jsorense
Its Danish you twit!:rolleyes:Hmm, I have distinct memories of it being dutch. They had windmills and lots of stuff that was delph blue. Hmm...

jsorense
03-05-2005, 03:34:35
Yeah, and you drove right through here and didn't even stop to say hi, stuckup ferreniers.

Greg W
03-05-2005, 03:35:39
I'm sure I saw your legs sticking out from under a dumpster. You were asleep or dead, so I left you be.

jsorense
03-05-2005, 03:38:12
Dag 11 Lompoc-San Francisco 448 km
LOMPOC!!??:lol: :lol: :lol:

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
03-05-2005, 03:40:17
What's wrong with Lompoc? It's the City of Arts and Flowers!

jsorense
03-05-2005, 03:41:23
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
Jsorense's house. Especially the living room window.

SP So that WAS you, you little ugly weasle.:mad:

jsorense
03-05-2005, 03:42:32
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
What's wrong with Lompoc? It's the City of Arts and Flowers! So, that's where you live. Enjoy.;)

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
03-05-2005, 03:47:43
Hell no. I wouldn't set foot in that place if you paid me a small amount of money. It'd have to be enough to at least cover a tank of gas or two.

jsorense
03-05-2005, 04:14:33
Hmmm, maybe he is going to Vandenberg AFB to pilot one of those new space planes. That would be funny. Expensive, but funny.:bounce:
Oh, for D's information. http://www.spacearchive.info/vafbsked.htm

JM^3
03-05-2005, 04:25:40
the redwood area along the coast norrth of San Fran

very pretty

Shasta (try climbing it)

Jon Miller

Koshko
03-05-2005, 07:50:24
I know nothing about California ... How's San Diego?

Drekkus
03-05-2005, 11:48:12
Well, I've booked the trip. It includes a trip along the coast from LA to SF. I'd like to see Yosimite park and the sequoia park, so I have to find a way to do them both.

What should I reckon for eating and drinking per day? How much is dinner at a decent restaurant?

MRT144
03-05-2005, 12:41:07
go to napa for a day

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 12:49:40
You are going to have to give me a bit more information. What things are you & the lady friend interested in and what city are you flying in to? I ask because there are an awful lot of things to do so narrowing it down a bit will likely help.

For SF I'd stick to Japher's list, if you are into wine then heed up to Napa Valley and do some world class taste testing. Do you like the great outdoors? If so then Avenue of the Giant's State Park is a must see as that's where all the Giant redwood trees are (ever see a tree that has a 30ft diameter trunk?) or Yosemite/King's Canyon is world class alternatively Channel Island's National Park is interesting if you don't mind the boat ride to get out there. Another option for an island get-away is Santa Catalina where you can stay in the town of Avalon and go out on day trips around the island.

I'm into backpacking so Big Sur is a favorite and I also like scenic drives so highway 1 along the Pacific coast is one of my favorite drives. Death Valley National Park is the lowest point in North America and it is so hot it didn't rain for 50 years. I guess that's not true it would rain regularly but the climate is so dry the rain would evaporate before it hit the ground. The place looks like a real moonscape and is very interesting to visit. If you'd rather get high then low then Mount Whitney is only about 50 miles from Death Valley and it is the highest point in the Continental US. 50 miles gets you from the lowest point to the highest point and some insane bastards hike from Death Valley to the top of Mount Whitney.

LA is kind of dirty but Mann's Chinese theater and Hollywood are must sees. If you like fancy food then the French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley was twice named the best restaurant in the world by several groups that rate those things. Spago's in LA is usually rated in the top 10-15 world wide and prices are a bit more reasonable (but still very expensive) compared to the French Laundry. I prefer Spago's since it is the place which started the whole California Fusion Cuisine back in the 80's. If you like Skiing then Tahoe is a must though we're now getting very late in the season. Vegas is a must see and there are so many hotels/casinos to stay at that you'll have to give me a better idea of your tastes and budget before I can recommend one to you. There isn't much to see on the Colorado River other then Hoover Dam and Lake Mead but both of those are pleasant if you have some time to burn. The north rim of the Grand Canyon is the better side but it is also very remote so it is hard to get there unless you are willing to rent a car and drive through several Indian reservations. Most tours take you to the south rim but in order to really get a feel for the canyon you need to hike down into the valley. Nothing like wearing snow clothing at the top and experiencing 90 degree shorts and t0shirt weather a few hours later in the gorge.

If you like surfing or deep sea fishing then you could do worse then San Diego. :) Also Anza Borrego Desert State Park is kind of nice though it depends exactly when you'll be here since if you get here to close to summer then the wild flowers are all killed by the desert heat. I'd also take a day trip down to Mexico in order to see a bullfight (Sunday's only) and get your picture taken with some poor donkey that's been painted like a zebra.

MDA
03-05-2005, 12:51:04
San Diego is great - far south of San Fran though - Wild Animal Park- La Jolla beaches - Oerdin would know the best stuff, I've only been there twice. We drove out to Joshua Tree for a day, which was cool (although it was also very, very hot).

I could have done without the trip to Hollywood - La Brea Tar Pits were a more interesting part of LA. We did see Kathy Griffin eating lunch at a California Pizza. Wheee!

The traffic in LA ruined any attraction it held for me.

I guess you *could* go point and laugh at the Star Wars kids standing in line.

MDA
03-05-2005, 12:51:53
X-post! :shoot:

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 12:51:56
Originally posted by Drekkus
Well, I've booked the trip. It includes a trip along the coast from LA to SF. I'd like to see Yosimite park and the sequoia park, so I have to find a way to do them both.

What should I reckon for eating and drinking per day? How much is dinner at a decent restaurant?

It really depends on how fancy you want to go. Students get by on $10 per day while people with cash can eat at 5 star restaurants and pay hundreds. Tell me what cities you're going to and I'll give you a few suggestions.

mr.G
03-05-2005, 12:54:18
Originally posted by Oerdin
get your picture taken with some poor donkey that's been painted like a zebra. :lol:

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 13:02:35
Zion and Bryce Canyon are great but be prepared to drive all day from Las Vegas just to get there. If I could only choose one park then I'd head for Yellowstone but Yellowstone is in Wyoming/Montana so it is much. much further away.

Flaggstaff is an interesting little town but I wouldn't think of it as an international tourist destination. Most people who go there are Americans on a week's vacation instead of foreigners. Lompoc is GHETTO! When I lived in Santa Barbara we used to call Lompoc Lompton (as in Compton) so I'm not sure how it ended up on your tourist site. The Santa Ynez Valley is near by and it has some decent wineries but Napa is the place to go if you are into wine tasting. If you are driving highway 1 then Hurst's Castle is a must see. William Randolf Hurst was a news paper mogul who was know for his extravagent lifestyle, his yellow journalism, and his love of hanging out with hollywood's glitterotti. There are a bunch of interesting little towns along highway 1 and a bunch of stuff to see but the road is best driven in a two seater convertable since it is mostly two lanes and twisty. :)

Lurker the Second
03-05-2005, 13:03:16
Yeah, you probably should spend a day in Napa before heading south from SF. Not that you haven't seen vineyards before, but it's pretty country with good restaurants, etc.

In the cities, you'll generally spend b/t $20-30 for entrees at better restaurants, sometimes more at over-the-top places. Appetizers roughly $7-12. There are plenty of restaurants with good food where entrees are in the $15-20 range.

Wine prices are all over the place. Beer will generally be roughly what you are used to paying. Stick to micro-brewery beers. You'll find many of those, with quite a variety of excellent choices.

I'm not a big fan of LA either, unless you know someone there. I'd much rather keep driving south and stay in La Jolla or San Diego.

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 13:09:46
Originally posted by Greg W
Ooh, and I did liek Solvang. Though, being dutch, you'll probably just be bored there. It's a little place where a lot of dutch immigrants settled, and there's a heap of dutch stuff for sale there. I thought it was cool.

And if you're going to drive from San Fran to LA, take the Coast Road. Beautiful drive. Even saw some seals in the wild when I drove down there.

I dated a girl from Solvang when I lived in Santa Barbara. She was half Danish and half Argentine of all things. Still, Solvang is a nice little bit of Denmark which has been repackaged and turned into a tourist trap. ;)

I don't think they were seals. There are some protected habitate and breeding grounds for the California Sea Lion along the coast which are nice to see. A sea Lion weight about 700-1000 pound where as a seal only weights in at 100-200 pounds.

Fergus & The Brazen Car
03-05-2005, 13:20:30
We were going to see the Chumash Indian cave, but it was closed because of vandalism. Grr...


Santa Barbara is pleasant if you like Art Deco style architecture.

Yosemite was wonderful and unmissable, and Calistoga and St Helena were extremely enjoyable, as in Calistoga we could unwind in mud and spa baths after having been on a car trip through parts of Southern California and the mountains and then into Nevada. It really restored our vitality and sense of well-being.

The fainting goats were a hoot too.


Oh, and the Museum of Modern Art in San Francisco, the De Young Museum, Mission Dolores and the Church of John Coltrane- all well worth the visit.


One place worth devoting a whole day too (not just for the buildings and artefacts, but for the stunning setting and views, is Hearst's castle at San Simeon- an intriguing magpie mixture of old and new and various different eras and styles and cultures.

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 16:36:56
Art Deco? Hmmm, Santa Barbara is all done in a Spanish revivalist style. In 1925 the whole downtown area got destroyed in an earthquake and they decided the rebuilt town would be built in a pseudo-Spanish Colonial style which became all the rage among archeticts in California during the 1920's and 1930's.

The town hall and all of the buildings alone State St. were done in this fashion and to this day the archetuctural control board makes all the new buildings downtown be made in that fashion. Paseo Nuevo mall was built to mimic this style and it goes well with Old Paseo (the old Spanish marcado which was expanded and modernized after the 1925 earthquake).

Japher
03-05-2005, 16:43:08
you like fancy food then the French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley was twice named the best restaurant in the world by several groups that rate those things

Yeah, but you have to get reservations years in advance... Or so it seems.

What's that art gallery in LA that is suppose to be really good and huge?

Another note: just down the street from fisherman's warf is Ghirradelli (sp?) Square, which is another SF icon. Also, don't miss Lumbard St., it's the crookedest street in the world!

As for Alcatraz; it is a kewl tour, but with everything else to do in SF I would put it off til next time. You can get a good view of it from Fisherman's Warf and from almost anywhere bay side.

Also, if you do go to Napa, you will most likely go via the Golden Gate bridge, through a rainbow tunnel, pass the houses that float on water (where you can sit on the dock of the bay), and the stop!!! George Lucas Ranch... go kick his ass!

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
03-05-2005, 16:51:02
I drove down Lombard in February. Interesting to do to say you've done it. Much more fun is driving fast enough to jump on those hilly streets like the car chase action movies. Hard to do in a minivan though.

Ghirardelli Square is boring. Sure, you can buy some nice chocolate there, but it's just a big complex with meaningless stores in it. Nothing really exciting. And don't make the mistake of walking there from Hooters at 6:30 in the evening after a tiring day with your mother who's visiting from overseas and is due at the airport at 8PM, especially if you plan to get there going down Van Ness on a Saturday night to connect with 101. And don't follow the signs to the airport either, you'll end up in San Bruno. GOSH that was a fun night :gasmaske:

Fergus & The Brazen Car
03-05-2005, 16:55:14
Originally posted by Oerdin
Art Deco? Hmmm, Santa Barbara is all done in a Spanish revivalist style.


I think you might be thinking I mean 'art moderne' when I say 'art deco'.


There's a fusion of Spanish Revival/Spanish Colonial and art deco, and a style popular in southern California and the southwest United States called pueblo deco, and art deco was eclectic enough to include influences and architectural quotes from aztec, inca, moorish, spanish gothic and other styles.

Japher
03-05-2005, 17:03:02
don't follow the signs to the airport either, you'll end up in San Bruno. GOSH that was a fun night

You took your mom to Hooters?

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 17:08:29
Hmm, if this is "art moderne" then I never saw it in Santa Barbara.
http://architecture.about.com/library/bl-artmoderne.htm

These are pictures of Santa Barbara City hall which was built after the 1925 earthquake. This is what I was calling Spanish revival.
http://www.inn-california.com/centralcoast/SantaBarbaraCounty/santabarbara.html

Fergus & The Brazen Car
03-05-2005, 17:10:54
Originally posted by Oerdin
Hmm, if this is "art moderne" then I never saw it in Santa Barbara.
http://architecture.about.com/library/bl-artmoderne.htm

These are pictures of Santa Barbara City hall which was built after the 1925 earthquake. This is what I was calling Spanish revival.
http://www.inn-california.com/centralcoast/SantaBarbaraCounty/santabarbara.html


Indeed. You'll see art moderne elsewhere in California- the climate definitely suits it in the south.

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 17:10:57
http://www.architect.com/Spanish_Revival.html

Link about Spanish Colonial Revival style which most of Santa Barbara is built using.

Drekkus
03-05-2005, 17:27:14
Too bad we don't have a real architect to tell us how it is.

sleeping_satsuma
03-05-2005, 17:27:43
I think you should go and stand bang in the middle of the San Andreas fault, start jumping up and down like Rumpelstiltskin, and shout 'COME ON THEN!! YOU WANNA PIECE OF ME??!!!'

Japher
03-05-2005, 17:29:47
oh yeah, tempt fate, that's a good idea. what if it happens, think of all the innocent ppl around him!


or Me! or Qaj!

Japher
03-05-2005, 17:30:34
If you go to Monterey, Roy's at Pebble Beach is a great restaurant, reasonibly prices, and sits on one of the most scenic golf courses in the world.

sleeping_satsuma
03-05-2005, 17:33:08
Originally posted by Japher
oh yeah, tempt fate, that's a good idea. what if it happens, think of all the innocent ppl around him!


or Me! or Qaj!

The chosen ones shall survive

Japher
03-05-2005, 17:34:42
ok... just don't tell him where the fault is.

(hint: it's nowhere near the town of San Andreas)

Venom
03-05-2005, 18:10:49
Summary?

jsorense
03-05-2005, 18:16:11
California is wonderful and you are a little shit.:rolleyes:

Cruddy
03-05-2005, 18:20:23
California über alles!

MDA
03-05-2005, 18:38:03
Originally posted by Drekkus
Too bad we don't have a real architect to tell us how it is.

:lol:

MDA
03-05-2005, 18:40:24
So what's your expert opinion on this?

http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/jrmia/goods/longaberger.html

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
03-05-2005, 18:46:43
Originally posted by Japher
You took your mom to Hooters?

We parked the van in the parking garage right next door. It made for a convenient landmark to find our way back.

Venom
03-05-2005, 19:03:54
Originally posted by jsorense
California is wonderful and you are a little shit.:rolleyes:

I shit big.

MDA
03-05-2005, 19:42:18
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
We parked the van in the parking garage right next door. It made for a convenient landmark to find our way back.

A whole bunch of convenient landmarks!

mr.G
03-05-2005, 19:43:40
Originally posted by Drekkus
Too bad we don't have a real architect to tell us how it is. :lol: you stinkerd you

Japher
03-05-2005, 19:43:53
Hooters IS like the star of Bethlahem in that sense...

mr.G
03-05-2005, 20:41:26
star of Bethlahem is not a LANDmark.

Venom
03-05-2005, 20:45:31
Not until 2042 when it smashes a hole in the earth.

Japher
03-05-2005, 21:47:01
That's optimism for ya!

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 21:59:55
Originally posted by Drekkus
Too bad we don't have a real architect to tell us how it is.

I know you two Dutchmen are architects. I just couldn't tell if it was you using the other AE or not.

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 22:05:41
If you like to golf then Pebble Beach, Sandpiper, or Torrey Pines golf courses are world class. T-times, if you can get one, are expensive for the first two but Torrey Pines is government owned so it is pretty affordable. Of course affordable is a relative term.

Spartak
03-05-2005, 22:23:33
You are kidding me. Drekkus and Mr G are Architects? Really?

Drekkus
03-05-2005, 22:26:30
no

Spartak
03-05-2005, 22:27:42
Bah!

Oerdin
03-05-2005, 22:31:02
So who's Fergus & The Brazen Car?

Drekkus
03-05-2005, 22:31:50
No idea. Can't read his posts anyway.

Spartak
03-05-2005, 22:34:04
why not?

Japher
03-05-2005, 22:35:41
he can't read

Spartak
03-05-2005, 22:44:36
Really?

Japher
03-05-2005, 22:59:38
nope, not a lick, that's why he seems so stupid

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
04-05-2005, 00:36:29
Originally posted by MDA
A whole bunch of convenient landmarks!

At least two.

There's a large billboard over it plastered with pictures of Hooters girls that sticks out like a, er, sore thumb. Convenient!

Cruddy
04-05-2005, 00:59:40
One question that just occurred to me;

Is is possible to see much of California with all that smog?

zmama
04-05-2005, 04:44:54
Originally posted by Oerdin
I know you two Dutchmen are architects. I just couldn't tell if it was you using the other AE or not.

Just one of them is

MDA
04-05-2005, 12:17:45
I thought they worked together like C@H and Vinny

Drekkus
04-05-2005, 12:30:03
Nope. I suck at drawing lines.

mr.G
04-05-2005, 12:32:29
And at working.

Drekkus
04-05-2005, 13:02:21
it's a long list

mr.G
04-05-2005, 13:06:48
Originally posted by MDA
I thought they worked together like C@H and Vinny goood plan tho

Drekkus
04-05-2005, 13:13:17
Will you hire me??

mr.G
04-05-2005, 13:14:44
of course, you can be the CEO.
just act important.

Drekkus
04-05-2005, 13:57:01
Can I boss you around?

Oerdin
04-05-2005, 14:08:32
Originally posted by Cruddy
One question that just occurred to me;

Is is possible to see much of California with all that smog?

Own goal. LA is the only smoggy place. We have the world's strictest air pollution laws so most of the state has great air quality but LA is a special case. Its geography and climate are ideal for creating and trapping ozone. It has tall mountains on three sides and the right climatic conditions to create and trap the smog that industry and cars produce.

zmama
04-05-2005, 14:08:33
Sure but he won't listen

mr.G
04-05-2005, 14:15:47
always, won't listen tho.

Lurker the Second
04-05-2005, 14:34:00
I don't think he'll listen.

zmama
04-05-2005, 15:16:52
CAN YOU HEAR ME MR G?!!!!

Fergus & The Brazen Car
04-05-2005, 15:54:20
Cannery Row was good for cheap retail outlets and off-beat souvenirs, and Monterey had a fascinating walking trail and Robert Louis Stevenson associations, and some seriously good eating out.

The various Missions are worth tracking down- we didn't have time to visit more than a handful, but they were extremely enjoyable, as was the whole story of Father Junipero Serra.


The visit to Mission Dolores in San Francisco was easy, as it was a short walk from where we were staying, and it meant a hot 'n' spicy lunch in the local area.


I heartily recommend San Francisco as a great place to walk around, and if like my partner you're a fan of transport technology and history, the cable cars and the varieties of trams and street cars were definitely worth a trip.


Then of course there's all the wonderful film references- from 'Vertigo' to 'Bullitt', and 'Tales of the City' of course.

Japher
04-05-2005, 16:10:40
If you are going to do a Mission, San Juan Capistrano is THE one to see, south of LA

I've been to a few others, there's one between Salinas and Gilroy and also one just north of San Luis Obispo (which is a really nice town to crash for the night, Pismo Beach is just south of there, and the Madonna Inn is suppose to be pleasently strange)...

If you stay in San Luis or Paso Robles (just north of there) area during lunch or dinner go to "A.J. Spurs" in Templeton, it's an awesome steakhouse on an old main streeet, great food and great place. Better than Mclintocks which is another one around there.

Another note; Highway 101 is the main highway that runs up and down the coast of California. This was also once the El Camino Real, or the road that conected all the missions. It runs pretty true to it's course, 'cept in from San Jose to San Francisco where 101 runs along the bay and El Camino Real is the name of the main drag between 101 and 280 (the two main N/S freeways in the area)... Anyway, they use to have bells every so often on this highway so that if someone traveling the road was attacked or whatever they could ring the bell and the preist could laugh at you. These bells eventually disappeared, until recently, some bell company has commisioned to the bells back up, and they can now be seen every mile or so on alternating sides of the freeway. I have driven the road from SF to SLO, and I think it's pretty neat.

Venom
04-05-2005, 16:14:12
You're gay for knowing that, enjoying that, and posting that.

And I'm gay for reading that.

Japher
04-05-2005, 16:17:13
Good places to eat in SF:

Fog City Diner (breakfast and lunch)
Mel's (lunch)
Moose's (diner, ritzy, but good)
Lori's (breakfast)
The Stinking Rose (a must if you like garlic)

and, if you are feeling brave, the best breakfast in the city is in teh Castro District at Little Orphan Andy's... If you haven't figured it out, Little Orphan Andy's is the gay section of town... and they do name all the store's things like "The Sausage Factory" and "Moby Dicks".

Lurker the Second
04-05-2005, 16:28:42
Stop, you're getting Drekkus all hot.

Japher
04-05-2005, 16:30:00
Little Oprhan Andy's has the best chicken fried steak and biscuits, because of the wonderful white gravy!

Drekkus
04-05-2005, 16:33:51
The Stinking Rose is in that district as well, isn't it?

Japher
04-05-2005, 16:37:42
The Stinking Rose is in that district as well, isn't it?

No. The Stinking Rose is on the boarder of China Town and North Beach... The Castro is south, 19th and Castro is the heart of the Castro District.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
04-05-2005, 20:11:43
The fake bells along 101 are bizarre - they're ornamental, they all rusted within about 2 months of going up, and they're probably a waste of taxpayers money. A bunch of them were stolen from this area a while back, so that all that was left was the poles.

As for SF restaurants, I've had Tommy's Joynt recommended to me. Only place I know of where you can get buffalo burgers.

RedFred
04-05-2005, 20:36:22
I like San Fran. We go down a lot because my fiancee's two sisters live there. Our next trip is Labour Day weekend. Thanks to the Great Quake, they have a lot of cool art deco buildings.

My thought on Alcatraz is give it a miss. It is fun to see but it takes a long time. So your fun/time ratio is not so good.

Oerdin
04-05-2005, 21:11:26
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
The fake bells along 101 are bizarre - they're ornamental, they all rusted within about 2 months of going up, and they're probably a waste of taxpayers money. A bunch of them were stolen from this area a while back, so that all that was left was the poles.

Ahhh, yes. I do recall those bells. :lol:

As for food there is a number of good inexpensive places to eat in the Castro district. Those fags know a good meal when they see one. ;)

Japher
04-05-2005, 21:13:04
I've never been served a bad meal in the Castro

that would make a great T-shirt

"I got served in the Castro"

inside a pink triangle