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Greg W
27-04-2005, 14:43:56
If there's one thing I like, it's a good (anti-)war song. Any recommendations? Some of my faves:

Redgum - I was only 19
Cold Chisel - Khe Sahn
Rolling Stones - Paint it Black (featured in a war series anwyay)
War - Springsteen (Barret Strong, Norman Whitfield/Edwin Star)

Funko
27-04-2005, 14:46:25
Born in the USA...

Greg W
27-04-2005, 14:48:01
Yeah, I shoulda mentioned that one.

Scabrous Birdseed
27-04-2005, 15:19:08
My GF has a whole CD called "A Soldiers Sad Story: Vietnam Through the Eyes of Black America" that has some true gems on it. Bill Withers' live version of "I can't write left handed", "Lights out" by Zerben R Hicks and the Dynamics, etc. etc.

zmama
27-04-2005, 15:29:22
Creedence Clearwater Revival- "Fortunate Son"

zmama
27-04-2005, 15:32:06
Bruce Cockburn - "If I had a Rocket Launcher"

zmama
27-04-2005, 15:41:05
Elvis Costello - "Oliver's Army" and "Shipbuilding"

Debaser
27-04-2005, 16:01:50
Originally posted by zmama
Creedence Clearwater Revival- "Fortunate Son"

Good call Zmama, this is one of my favourite songs.

Others (Mostly about Vietnam):
Masters of War - Bob Dylan
Times They Are A Changin' - Bob Dylan
7 O'clock News/Silent Night - Simon & Garfunkle
What's Goin' On - Marvin Gaye
5 to 1 - The Doors

King_Ghidra
27-04-2005, 16:04:41
Originally posted by Debaser

7 O'clock News/Silent Night - Simon & Garfunkle


Amazing song, but isn't it just a general news broadcast not specifically vietnam related?

zmama
27-04-2005, 16:04:46
What's Goin On is one of my favorite songs :)

Wasn't specifically a war song though (more a civil rights song) so I didn't think of it.

King_Ghidra
27-04-2005, 16:08:17
Unknown Soldier by the Doors

Funko
27-04-2005, 16:09:52
The Trooper - Iron Maiden

zmama
27-04-2005, 16:10:55
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
Amazing song, but isn't it just a general news broadcast not specifically vietnam related?

No was a very antiwar song, ashamed I forgot it

zmama
27-04-2005, 16:15:29
And there is always Country Joe and the Fish- "I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die"

Not a great song per se but sure summed the anti war feelings :)

Debaser
27-04-2005, 16:21:08
Happy Xmas (War is Over) - John Lennon
Blowin' In The Wind - Bob Dylan (he wrote a fair few anti-war songs...)

novacane
27-04-2005, 16:24:02
Beautiful Occupation by Travis could well be the worst......Utter shit

Nills Lagerbaak
27-04-2005, 17:18:07
Can't believe no one mentioned 99 red balloons!


(Or Mandatory Suicide by Slayer for that matter)

King_Ghidra
27-04-2005, 17:19:31
or Operation Desert Goat by Goatsblood?

Nills Lagerbaak
27-04-2005, 17:23:12
Or Blood Splattered banner by Carcass.


Where are all the real protestors gone?

Gramercy Riffs
27-04-2005, 17:25:48
If Hendrix's version of Star Spangled Banner counts, then that would be a great one.

Lazarus and the Gimp
27-04-2005, 17:28:33
"And the band played Waltzing Matilda"- The Pogues
"My youngest son came home today"- Billy Bragg
"Universal Soldier"- Donovan
"The war drags on"- Donovan
"Spirit of the Falklands"- New Model Army
"Christian Militia"- New Model Army

Nills Lagerbaak
27-04-2005, 17:29:45
Well, I always thought it was an anti-nam song but I heard recently that the Jimmster was pro-Nam at the end?!


War Pigs - Sabbath

Lazarus and the Gimp
27-04-2005, 17:30:18
"Round Eye Blues"- Marah (as featured on an LWP compilation).

Funko
27-04-2005, 17:33:01
Well Jimi had been a para..

Big article on that here:

http://www.jimihendrix.com/magazine/502/502,features,nationalanthem.html

Greg W
28-04-2005, 00:36:31
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
"And the band played Waltzing Matilda"- The PoguesOdd, I always thought that was a redgum song. I know they do a version of it.

Originally posted by Zmama
Fortunate SonOoh, definately. :beer:

Almost forgot too:
Sunday Bloody Sunday - U2
Bullet the Blue Sky - U2

Diss
28-04-2005, 04:28:22
Originally posted by Funko
The Trooper - Iron Maiden

aces high- Iron Maiden

Diss
28-04-2005, 04:34:03
some of these have already been mentioned, but oh well.

One- Metallica

mandator suicide- slayer

5 to 1- doors

paint it black- rolling stoner

don't tread on me- Metallica

shallow grave- body count

Iron Maiden has many songs that could possibly be considered war songs. I already mentioned a coulple above.

peace sells... but who's buyin'- Megadeth (more of a cold war song I guess)

King_Ghidra
28-04-2005, 09:06:52
Originally posted by Gramercy Riffs
If Hendrix's version of Star Spangled Banner counts, then that would be a great one.

god save us all from that piece of shit. Iconic and maybe important as it was, just sit and listen to it. Utter bullshit.

King_Ghidra
28-04-2005, 09:08:29
Originally posted by Greg W

Sunday Bloody Sunday - U2


File under Great Massacre songs rather than Great War songs.

Funko
28-04-2005, 10:04:06
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
god save us all from that piece of shit. Iconic and maybe important as it was, just sit and listen to it. Utter bullshit.

Hmm...

I really like it. It's kind of raw, messy and brutal but that's the point. There's so much emotion in the guitar playing he doesn't really need to say anything. Ah well.

zmama
28-04-2005, 11:39:52
I agree with Funko. It's raw bleeding emotion screaming with tension, rage and heartbreak.

That said there was a time I didn't "get"
Hendrix, but I grew up ;)

King_Ghidra
28-04-2005, 11:52:13
hendrix on the whole, i love

8 minutes of feedback? i'd rather bathe in acid. even the doors were never that self-indulgent

Funko
28-04-2005, 12:07:04
Good that it provokes such strong emotion. :)

Gramercy Riffs
28-04-2005, 13:29:39
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
even the doors were never that self-indulgent

hhhmmm......

King_Ghidra
28-04-2005, 13:37:05
feel free to provide an example.

actually there is something worse - supergrass doing 'caught by the fuzz' acoustic. i could fully justify suicide bombing that.

Nills Lagerbaak
28-04-2005, 13:38:21
Originally posted by Funko
Good that it provokes such strong emotion. :)

Emotion? It's a simple comparion. Bathing in Acid would be less painful than listening to that racket.

If a song causing pain is good, then admire away....

Funko
28-04-2005, 14:00:05
I thought songs that cause pain was the definition of your music collection...

Fergus & The Brazen Car
28-04-2005, 14:08:18
Michelle Shocked: Penny Evans

Marianne Faithfull: The Wife of the Soldier

June Tabor: The Band Played Waltzing Matilda

Steeleye Span: Fighting For Strangers

Kate Bush: Army Dreamers

Buffy Saint Marie: Soldier Blue


I think you could probably also include songs by the likes of Sly and the Family Stone, Gil Scott Heron (especially 'Essex' about the effect of war on the mind of a young black man confronting racism in America) and Marvin Gaye- the whole album 'What's Going On', for instance.

Greg W
28-04-2005, 14:10:43
Allright, now I really need to go and find out who the hell wrote "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda". Thats' the third artist I have seen it attributed to...

Greg W
28-04-2005, 14:15:27
Hmm, Eric Bogle (http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/matilda.html) apparently...

Fergus & The Brazen Car
28-04-2005, 14:16:16
Originally posted by Greg W
Allright, now I really need to go and find out who the hell wrote "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda". Thats' the third artist I have seen it attributed to...


Band Played Waltzing Matilda, The

Eric Bogle

When I was a young man I carried me pack
And I lived the free life of the rover
From the Murray's green basin to the dusty outback
I waltzed my Matilda all over
Then in 1915 my country said: Son,
It's time to stop rambling, there's work to be done
So they gave me a tin hat and they gave me a gun
And they sent me away to the war

And the band played Waltzing Matilda
When the ship pulled away from the quay
And amid all the tears, flag waving and cheers
We sailed off for Gallipoli

It well I remember that terrible day
When our blood stained the sand and the water
And how in that hell they call Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter
Johnny Turk, he was ready, he primed himself well
He rained us with bullets, and he showered us with shell
And in five minutes flat, we were all blown to hell
He nearly blew us back home to Australia

And the band played Waltzing Matilda
When we stopped to bury our slain
Well we buried ours and the Turks buried theirs
Then it started all over again

Oh those that were living just tried to survive
In that mad world of blood, death and fire
And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive
While around me the corpses piled higher
Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over head
And when I awoke in me hospital bed
And saw what it had done, I wished I was dead
I never knew there was worse things than dying

Oh no more I'll go Waltzing Matilda
All around the green bush far and near
For to hump tent and pegs, a man needs both legs
No more waltzing Matilda for me

They collected the wounded, the crippled, the maimed
And they shipped us back home to Australia
The armless, the legless, the blind and the insane
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And when the ship pulled into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where me legs used to be
And thank Christ there was no one there waiting for me
To grieve and to mourn and to pity

And the Band played Waltzing Matilda
When they carried us down the gangway
Oh nobody cheered, they just stood there and stared
Then they turned all their faces away

Now every April I sit on my porch
And I watch the parade pass before me
I see my old comrades, how proudly they march
Renewing their dreams of past glories
I see the old men all tired, stiff and worn
Those weary old heroes of a forgotten war
And the young people ask "What are they marching for?"
And I ask myself the same question

And the band plays Waltzing Matilda
And the old men still answer the call
But year after year, their numbers get fewer
Someday, no one will march there at all

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda with me?
And their ghosts may be heard as they march by the billabong
So who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda with me?

© Eric Bogle


And he lives in Ozland, too.

http://www.liv-coll.ac.uk/pa09/europetrip/brussels/bogle.htm


Junje Tabor's version is very affecting. She's also done a sterling rendition of 'Flowers of the Forest' too. She appears on a cracking compilation c.d. which I'm very proud to own, called 'We Died In Hell' (They Called It Passchendaele).

Greg W
28-04-2005, 14:28:57
Redgum's version is good too, though it's possibly the only one I've heard.

Lazarus and the Gimp
28-04-2005, 17:22:07
And the version by The Pogues is a great one too. Incidentally, one of the other songs I recommended ("My youngest son came home today") is another Eric Bogle song.

Greg W
29-04-2005, 01:06:48
Heh, I'd never heard of him before I went looking up that song. :o

Diss
29-04-2005, 01:10:40
run through the jungle

I forgot to mention that one. I think that's a war song (though i admit I haven't really payed attention to all the lyrics)

Greg W
29-04-2005, 03:33:40
Whoa, thought it was a nightmare,
Lo, itís all so true,
They told me, donít go walkiní slow
ícause devilís on the loose.

Chorus:
Better run through the jungle,
Better run through the jungle,
Better run through the jungle,
Woa, donít look back to see.

Thought I heard a rumbliní
Calliní to my name,
Two hundred million guns are loaded
Satan cries, take aim!

Chorus

Over on the mountain
Thunder magic spoke,
Let the people know my wisdom,
Fill the land with smoke.

Chorus
Sounds like it.

zmama
29-04-2005, 03:46:38
'tis
Creedence was kind of special...the Vietnam grunt's antiwar songs.