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DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 11:36:38
Its Bollocks!!! We undercoated everything and it still peels off as easily as a whore's knickers!!!

Don't buy it if you are painting. :mad:

Cruddy
20-04-2005, 11:37:45
Whores wear knickers? You do live in a classy area.

Yeah, one coat anything isn't very good - you did sugarsoap and sand beforehand though?

Provost Harrison
20-04-2005, 11:44:22
You can't paint straight onto dried on orange juice - it will tell you that on the tin ;)

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 11:45:29
we didnt sand :( actuallt though we did sand some and its coming off there too. I'm really narked because dulux should be good. It doesnt cover with one coat either. Never again will I buy that stuff.

Cruddy
20-04-2005, 11:49:53
Was this straight over raw wood, or over old paint/wallpaper?

Either one is difficult for the single coat brands.

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 11:52:45
oh god it depends which bit of house we're looking at. STill- lessson learned

Cruddy
20-04-2005, 12:03:35
Remember the rule of P's.

Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance.

Debaser
20-04-2005, 12:08:12
I thought it was Perfect Preparation etc...

Greg W
20-04-2005, 12:14:24
What I'd suggest is asking a professional how you should prepare all surfaces, and what paint they recommend. Obviously you just went out and bought paint that you thought would work, prepared as you thought fitting, and got it wrong.

Bummer.

Funko
20-04-2005, 12:34:08
I used that one coat stuff on my room and it's fine. Didn't take one coat though because the walls underneath were much darker than the new colour. 2 coats and a bit of touching up was fine though, it was excellent.

Funko
20-04-2005, 12:36:17
Ah... that was matt for the walls though obviously.

The gloss on the woodwork (skirtingboard etc) I've used on my last two rooms and it was fine. One coat and very quick.

MDA
20-04-2005, 12:44:37
Latex paint will peel off if you've put it over oil-based paint, I think.

Gary
20-04-2005, 12:49:13
Paint can be a sod.

Got some B&Q "Colours" stuff especially for kitchen and bathroom walls a short while ago. Put it up and it seemed to need umpteen coats.

But worse, it's not matt enough (a feature of it being washable perhaps ?) and every little imperfection in the plaster can be see if you look along the wall. Looks very blotchy.

:(

MDA
20-04-2005, 12:52:50
Sherwin Williams makes very good paints, but they're also expensive.

Servistar (whatever they're called now) had their own brand of paint which was nearly as good and much cheaper.

They merged with True Value some years ago and I lost track of what happened with them and their paint.

Not sure you have access to either in the UK.

Pittsburgh Paints are also good, but I'm pretty sure you can't get those.

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 13:40:22
Originally posted by Greg W
What I'd suggest is asking a professional how you should prepare all surfaces, and what paint they recommend. Obviously you just went out and bought paint that you thought would work, prepared as you thought fitting, and got it wrong.

Bummer.

I know how to prepare surfaces, it just seems like this house is coated with some kind of unholy resin.

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 13:41:20
Originally posted by Funko
I used that one coat stuff on my room and it's fine. Didn't take one coat though because the walls underneath were much darker than the new colour. 2 coats and a bit of touching up was fine though, it was excellent.

I've found it very variable.

Greg W
20-04-2005, 13:46:45
Originally posted by DevilsH@lo
I know how to prepare surfaces, it just seems like this house is coated with some kind of unholy resin. So if you know how to prepare, how do you prepare a surface covered with an unholy resin?

And why did you not sand everything, or wash with sugar soap (tho you didn't answer that last question, I am going by your lack of affirmation)?

zmama
20-04-2005, 13:48:19
Gotta hand it to you. Didn't think there was a subject matter more boring than fish.

Cruddy
20-04-2005, 13:49:17
* Cruddy slaps zmama with a large haddock

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:07:00
Originally posted by Greg W
So if you know how to prepare, how do you prepare a surface covered with an unholy resin?

And why did you not sand everything, or wash with sugar soap (tho you didn't answer that last question, I am going by your lack of affirmation)?

because the surfaces seemed sound, so we only sanded the ones that were really tits

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:07:35
Originally posted by zmama
Gotta hand it to you. Didn't think there was a subject matter more boring than fish.

so stop reading the thread then

*shrug*

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:08:38
Originally posted by DevilsH@lo
because the surfaces seemed sound, so we only sanded the ones that were really tits What does sound surfaces have to do with sanding?

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:09:56
well you can usually get away with it if the surface isn't damaged or dirty. Unfortunately the unholy resin is invisible and scentless

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:11:34
Actually, nice clean smooth surfaces can be the most important to sand. It gives the paint something to grip to.

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:13:11
well we didnt have trouble with the straight gloss, just the one coat shit, I think its the self-undercoat thats caused it. Sigh...

Cruddy
20-04-2005, 14:13:24
Yes. New paint prefers a rough surface to a totally smooth one.

You don't sand for smoothness, you do it to "key" the new paint onto the surface.

As for this invisible, scentless unholy resin - could it be hamster jizz?

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:14:31
Originally posted by zmama
Gotta hand it to you. Didn't think there was a subject matter more boring than fish.


Gotta hand it too you, you really added an unforseen dimension to the thread............as per. :sleep:

(the real DH)

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:14:55
Originally posted by DevilsH@lo
well we didnt have trouble with the straight gloss, just the one coat shit, I think its the self-undercoat thats caused it. Sigh... Thus (seriously) the need to talk to experts. I don't know everything *gasp* about painting, and yet I found some flaws in your logic.

Your house though...

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:15:32
Originally posted by DevilsH@lo
Gotta hand it too you, you really added an unforseen dimension to the thread............as per. :sleep:

(the real DH) Fight, fight, fight. :p

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:18:17
Originally posted by Greg W
Thus (seriously) the need to talk to experts. I don't know everything *gasp* about painting, and yet I found some flaws in your logic.

Your house though...

yes but to be honest when you are painting your entire house top to bottom you start skipping corners. Human nature. Same reason abstinence doesnt work :)

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:21:05
Yes, but then you really lose the right to complain when things go wrong. :p

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:22:56
i'm complaing about the bits i did prepare, and the crap coverage and quality

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:24:33
But how do you know you prepared them properly? Maybe the bits you did prepare you should have prepared differently... ;)

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:27:06
yeah and maybe a black hole opened and swallowed the paint :):

Tizzy
20-04-2005, 14:28:33
Damn black holes, can't trust them with anything

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:28:58
Hmm, you'd think after being married for 7 years I'd know that arguing with a woman who believe's she's right is an excercise in abject futility. Like all (once-?)married males though, I seem to enjoy beating my head against a brick wall to explain things to them.

:p

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:31:31
put it this way, I know which bits I prepared properly and which I didnt, but even so I think the quality of the one coat gloss is shite.

I don't need explaining to, I've been decorating stuff since I was 14 and I know how to do it 'properly', I think the problem here is that the undercoat resists shiny surfaces in a way normal gloss doesnt, so cutting corners has proven a bit bollocks. So- lesson learned.

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:33:49
Right. So you know how to prepare properly, except in situations where you don't know how to prepare properly? :lol:

Sorry, I am in a shitstirring mood tonight. Which beats the crap out of being depressed, I must say. :D

DevilsH@lo
20-04-2005, 14:35:32
GREG................NO!!!!

Step away from the conversation, she has a fucking essay to finish for tomorrow. :D

Now get on with it witch!!!

Cruddy
20-04-2005, 14:36:11
An essay on fucking? Well, I can think of worse places to go for inspiration.

Greg W
20-04-2005, 14:39:06
Originally posted by DevilsH@lo
GREG................NO!!!!

Step away from the conversation, she has a fucking essay to finish for tomorrow. :D

Now get on with it witch!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: