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dv8ed
14-04-2005, 01:06:14
President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld have shared a common political vision for most of their careers. Now each will share something else a slime-mold beetle named in his honor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491302/

Would have been better if it were just the slime mold, and not the beetle.

Cruddy
14-04-2005, 01:07:21
This is an insult to insects.

Oerdin
14-04-2005, 01:08:15
Couldn't they find something more disgusting and loathful then a slime mold eatting beetle?

Cruddy
14-04-2005, 01:37:57
Mongolian death worm?

Newly discovered extinct dinosaur?

New type of herpes virus?

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
14-04-2005, 03:04:25
That last one appeals as a candidate for Presidential naming.

Oerdin
14-04-2005, 18:20:32
Especially since Republicans are so against teaching teenagers about safe sex. They should name STDs after leading Republicans since they've done more to spread them then anyone else.

Darkstar
15-04-2005, 11:24:39
Not true, Oerdin. Teaching sex ed has in fact lead to earlier sexual experiences and more frequent unprotected sex. That's why the average age of first sexual experience has dropped, as has how often minors use protection while having sex. Something is wrong in either the teaching, or what is being presented and communicated. Of course, most minors surveyed don't believe that oral or anal activity is actual sex, so they don't need protection for those activities. President Clinton gets the credit for teaching the American impressionable public that oral isn't sex. I haven't a clue which politician gets the credit for the anal, but at least the average American minor won't be considered a prude by their elders. They are regularly doing things their parents have only done while drunk...

The biologists stated that they'd picked Bush, Chaney, and Rumsfield because they respect them. They discovered over 62 species, and named them after everyone they liked. Their wives, mentors, favorite philosophers, and people they admired. They also named a species after Darth Vader (supposedly because it's got markings that reminded them of Vader's helmet, but... ;))

Funko
15-04-2005, 12:00:18
"Teaching sex ed has in fact lead to earlier sexual experiences and more frequent unprotected sex. "

No it hasn't. The abstinence groups want people to believe that, but they are just looking at two sets of statistics and assuming a link. All the genuine scientific studies that I've seen show quite clearly that good quality sex education and the availability of contraception reduces STD transmission rates and teen pregnancy and raises the average age of virginity loss.

So, turning back to your statement, the fact that societal changes mean that kids are having sex earlier and more frequently having unprotected sex is why it's even more vital that we continue with improving and expanding the quality of sex education programs.

protein
15-04-2005, 12:01:40
bingo.

I really can't believe some of the right wing Victorian views on here sometimes.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-04-2005, 12:33:17
Originally posted by Darkstar
Not true, Oerdin.

Damn. I just suffered a system error.

Oerdin
16-04-2005, 02:49:51
The Abstanance only based "sex ed" doesn't work at all. There have been numerous studies which showed teenagers delayed sex for around 6 months longer then their properly educated friends but critically the abstance only children suffered from higher STD rates and higher pregnancy rates because no one taught them about safe sex or proper contraception.

As Funko said there are a ton of high quality scientific studies which show that teaching teens about safe sex and about contraception really does lower STD rates and teen pregnancy rates. It's just common sense.

Darkstar
18-04-2005, 12:47:46
That was a tongue in cheek remark, Oerdin.

Interestingly, the current medical data and studies do show that the kids aren't practicing safe sex. At least, not consistantly. They are engaging in risky behavior, despite all the classes and money thrown at the problem to educate them how to protect themselves. The primary cause that is being blamed currently is the fact that so many younger would be players really don't believe oral or anal is actual sex, and therefore is non-dangerous if done unprotected. Where that message continues to come from, is unknown. Or at least, uncreditted.

DevilsH@lo
18-04-2005, 14:22:35
a friend of mine has herpes, and we went to a health convention recently where she found that they had a Herpes club who get monthly newsletters and an AGM/ball etc. I feel quite left out!

Tizzy
18-04-2005, 14:27:44
I read about that in Cosmo or something the other month. Sounded rather bizarre but strangely sensible at the same time.

DevilsH@lo
18-04-2005, 14:29:20
apparently 80% of adults actually have the virus but only about 20% show symptoms.

I told her I'm going to get a T-shirt that has a big arrow pointing to her and says 'I'm with Herpes!'

Funko
18-04-2005, 14:34:19
Originally posted by Darkstar
That was a tongue in cheek remark, Oerdin.

Interestingly, the current medical data and studies do show that the kids aren't practicing safe sex. At least, not consistantly. They are engaging in risky behavior, despite all the classes and money thrown at the problem to educate them how to protect themselves. The primary cause that is being blamed currently is the fact that so many younger would be players really don't believe oral or anal is actual sex, and therefore is non-dangerous if done unprotected. Where that message continues to come from, is unknown. Or at least, uncreditted.

Exactly why proper education is so important.

DevilsH@lo
18-04-2005, 14:36:07
one up the bum, no harm done :D

Greg W
18-04-2005, 14:39:12
So many possible responses. So few that are even remotely clean...

Provost Harrison
18-04-2005, 23:16:26
Originally posted by Oerdin
Couldn't they find something more disgusting and loathful then a slime mold eatting beetle?

Yeah, Republicans ;)

Darkstar
18-04-2005, 23:40:45
Originally posted by Funko
Exactly why proper education is so important.

The point is that education is losing to whatever is sending the message that other forms of sexual intimacy isn't sex.

Considering now that something like 50% of all 14 year olds in recent studies in the USA claim to have had some form of oral or anal sex, but only 20% claim to have had vaginal intercourse, it's a very serious matter. Education seems to only be working on how not to get pregnant, rather then how to protect oneself.

Of course, there's a lot of social possibilities. So many people at that age will take it very wrong if one of the partners wants to use protection. It communicates that you don't trust them. A few of the social behavior studies have shown that this one issue stops over 80% of teens from using protection (despite all the education they've had). Because it upsets their partner. It's particularly cited with the various "Wait until we are married" groups. It seems the thinking there is that if someone has never done anything, they must be healthy and clean. So to suggest using a condom is to strongly imply that they don't trust or believer their partner. So, those that wait until much later to engage in sex, very rarely, if ever, use any form of protection. That's why their actual rates of contracting STDs are higher then the "more active" of their peers.

The other main issue popping up in the social behaviour studies seems to be: It's just too inconvinent. They don't want to "spoil the moment". Funny enough, those studies show that most of the time (~60%), the pressure in that situation comes from the guy, and the gal, while concerned about being unprotected, chances it.

You know, both of those cases occur with adults. It's just that once people mature, they are more willing to assert themselves. You know, "No glove, no love". Adults are more willing to have that often odd talk about how using protection doesn't mean you don't love and trust each other.

That's if we can trust the various studies and their results.

DevilsH@lo
18-04-2005, 23:57:06
yeah but if you get herpes you get to go to a Ball!! Yaay for herpes!

Funko
19-04-2005, 09:46:04
The point is that education is losing to whatever is sending the message that other forms of sexual intimacy isn't sex.

Considering now that something like 50% of all 14 year olds in recent studies in the USA claim to have had some form of oral or anal sex, but only 20% claim to have had vaginal intercourse, it's a very serious matter. Education seems to only be working on how not to get pregnant, rather then how to protect oneself.

Sounds like the education needs improving...