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Funko
12-04-2005, 10:16:21
Slimey, nasty, smug little shit.

He said:

"Don't let him get away with it again. Imagine five more years of it - five more years of smirking, five more years of failure, five more years of talk.

"Imagine waking up on 6 May to see Mr Blair re-elected. Imagine how you'd feel," he declared.

I thought:

"Imagine five years of Howard - five years of smirking, five years of failure, five more years of talk.

"Imagine waking up on 6 May to see Mr Howard elected. Imagine how you'd feel,"

I'd be gutted. Blair's done some stuff I didn't like but if there's any danger these lot might get in... ARGH!!! :eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4432243.stm

Christoph
12-04-2005, 10:17:32
Why are there no attractive female primeministers?

Funko
12-04-2005, 10:19:59
:lol:

If it was a beauty contest who'd win? None of them?

Christoph
12-04-2005, 10:24:39
I vote for the sexy one.


yaaa

Fistandantilus
12-04-2005, 10:53:02
So it's something like:

We promise cleaner hospitals, more police, disciplined schools, controlled immigration, lower taxes but the most important thing is "Blair sucks!!"

King_Ghidra
12-04-2005, 10:57:20
yeah i agree with funko. He really is an odious little shit, the very image of the slimy wormtongue politician.

On bbc breakfast this morning they were talking about how the tories originally were going to go with the campaign slogan 'vote blair, get brown' (pillorying the idea that most labour people really want to make brown their next leader) but had to abandon it when they realised brown's poll standings were even higher than blair's :lol:

Funko
12-04-2005, 10:58:01
They did start running with it and their ratings in the polls went down.

King_Ghidra
12-04-2005, 11:02:09
the irony is that, as the responses of you and i indicate, turning this into a personality contest will only result in defeat, whereas when they fight on actual policies they often seem quite credible

Funko
12-04-2005, 11:15:05
I'm not sure about that. I don't think any of their figures add up.

Cleaner hospitals, more police sound good but how do you do that and spend less money?

They are cynically playing on people's fears in this case (crime, furriners and a scary superbug) because they know that they strike chords with the kind of tabloid reading working class voters that Thatcher attracted (who went labour in '97) when she won.

I don't believe this "efficiency savings" stuff isn't "cuts" not to mention that most of their " 35 billion in tax cuts" are actually about cutting Labour's increased spending promises.

The main players are basically the same lot who were in Major's cabinet and they were awful. Why should they suddenly be a credible party now?

They have learnt a lot about cynical election strategy from this Australian election guru they stole from the Aussie Tories and it looks like they are borrowing from US campaigns too.

As for personality attacks, as you say Howard's about as smug and slimey as you can get so that's a stupid way to go.

ps. Just found this site. Nice

http://www.michaelhowardmp.co.uk/

protein
12-04-2005, 11:38:22
I have to agree. I'll have to vote labour if it looks close.

Funko
12-04-2005, 11:39:50
Apparently in tactical voting terms the major block of tactical voters is Lib Dem voters who will vote Labour if they fear the Tories might get in.

protein
12-04-2005, 11:42:24
you mean vote labour? That's me then.

Funko
12-04-2005, 11:44:16
D'oh, yes edited.

It's me too.

Although I'm still not sure I could bring myself to vote for that twat Martin Salter.

Funko
12-04-2005, 11:44:37
Luckily I'm in Reading East. Woo!

DaShi
12-04-2005, 11:47:05
Isn't this how Blair usually gets elected?

Funko
12-04-2005, 11:53:15
By being the least unpopular of two candidates?

Isn't that how all politicians win?

Nills Lagerbaak
12-04-2005, 12:53:30
I shall be votin gLib Dem whatever happens. I know a lot of people who are doing the same. The idea of voting for anoter party purely so another paty don't get in, has to be lunacy. Hoiw do they know that the LibDems wouldn't get in if everyone who actualkly wants them in voted for them?

Funko
12-04-2005, 13:16:10
Whilst that's good in theory I think it's definitely worth voting Labour if it means we get Labour not the Conservatives.

I probably will vote lib dem too even though it's pointless in Reading but oh god, the idea of those arseholes getting back in... if only I lived in a constituency where the Lib Dems had a chance.

I really need to find a voteswap website...

Dyl Ulenspiegel
12-04-2005, 13:22:32
Even if the Tories overtake Labour on the vote, it's unlikely they will have a majority. This prediction looks a bit extreme, but for the underlying destortion: http://www.ukelect.com/WhatIfCon40/Forecast.htm

Funko
12-04-2005, 13:25:52
Wow... I knew it was hard for the tories to win but that's incredible. Blair does still have one of the largest majorities in history.

And it's depressing how few seats the Lib Dems get even with a massive swing to them.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
12-04-2005, 13:29:31
The LibDems need a non-uniform swing, or they just come second in even more places.

Gary
12-04-2005, 13:30:27
Even if the Tories overtake Labour on the vote, it's unlikely they will have a majority.

Straight comparison of votes can be misleading. One needs to accept that any viable swing, some seats are safe seats for each party. All the action occurs in the marginals.

Oh, by the way, "Bliar sucks" seems to sum it up very well. Except that it implies that the rest of his cabinet blow instead.

Funko
12-04-2005, 13:31:04
Yeah, but coming second in places means that people see them as a real contender for that seat next time...

I didn't know about Labour seats being on average smaller than Tory seats so they needed less votes though. Explains why neck and neck in the opinion polls is still a big loss for the tories.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
12-04-2005, 13:38:59
Labour's rotten boroughs... :D

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
12-04-2005, 14:55:59
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
yeah i agree with funko. He really is an odious little shit, the very image of the slimy wormtongue politician.

Poor Funko. I thought you guys wrre friends, too.

Funko
12-04-2005, 14:57:37
What ever gave you that idea?

King_Ghidra
12-04-2005, 15:37:30
no, no, it's these (http://www.mikeandnikhil.co.uk) guys who are friends

The Shaker
12-04-2005, 18:11:51
Luckily in my constituency labour have a 23% advantage so i'll be free to vote for who i want to, safe in the knowledge that it won't make the slightest difference to the result.
hurray for politics.

Lazarus and the Gimp
12-04-2005, 18:29:33
Michael Howard keeps talking about a "Bat ill for Brit inn". Anyone know what he's talking about?

Spartak
12-04-2005, 18:50:30
You'd have to ask the pee pil.

Provost Harrison
12-04-2005, 19:00:15
This used to be the seat of the ghastly Peter Bottomley but since has become a (relatively) safe Labour seat nowadays...I got a leaflet from the Tories today through the letterbox, the candidate looks particularly slimey...

protein
12-04-2005, 19:02:42
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Michael Howard keeps talking about a "Bat ill for Brit inn". Anyone know what he's talking about?
Something to do with killing darkies?

Christoph
12-04-2005, 19:03:10
If I could vote i'd vote lib dem.

Cruddy
12-04-2005, 20:36:35
Originally posted by Funko
Slimey, nasty, smug little shit.


Of course. He's a politician. Am I missiing something here?

mr.G
12-04-2005, 20:38:20
kill'm

Cruddy
12-04-2005, 20:42:13
I think there's an e missing off that post

sleeping_satsuma
12-04-2005, 20:51:00
i dont like tactical voters- how will your true party ever know you support them if you dont vote for them, and how will anyone else know? Plus if you dont like labour in the first place, why vote them in at all? I mean I can see why, but it seems a bit self defeating

ahhh if only we could get rid of all the darkies, queers, lefties, working class, intellectuals, pseudo-intellectuals, middle englanders, welsh, criminals and single mums, we'd be.......Robert Kilroy-Silk. :scared:

MOBIUS
12-04-2005, 21:16:57
Well I will be voting Libdems as always and for once my vote actually makes a difference...:)

Better still my PPC is quite a hottie (http://www.jennywillott.com/) (the pics don't do her justice!) and a friend of mine. Just in the council elections we got a clean sweep of all the councillors in her constituency!

The Labour guy has a majority of only 659, so given all the favourable indications so far I will be very pissed if we don't win here!

Hey Mike, if you're serious about vote swapping, check out http://www.tacticalvoter.net/?show=index&

The Shaker
12-04-2005, 21:31:27
http://www.tacticalvoter.net/?show=constituency&cid=245&

Should I even be arsed walking across the road to vote?

Provost Harrison
12-04-2005, 21:36:34
Well I now live in Eltham which is a safe Labour seat. However I am still registered to vote in Bexleyheath and Crayford which is a Tory target, so perhaps I should do my bit to help deprive the Tories of a seat :D :cute:

sleeping_satsuma
13-04-2005, 02:37:40
I didnt understand before why bracknell was tory, as its so working class, but ma boss tells me its because it takes in part of windsor and wokingham. The blue rinse brigade.

Lib Dem are in third place here, but tactically if we unseat tories and install labour, labour have a greater chance of wining the whole election, so I'd rather tories won here as they have fuck all chance.

we get bnp here due to high chav population, so hoping that they at least dont get in

King_Ghidra
13-04-2005, 09:37:00
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Better still my PPC is quite a hottie (http://www.jennywillott.com/) (the pics don't do her justice!)

no, no they don't

Funko
13-04-2005, 10:13:01
http://www.tacticalvoter.net/?show=constituency&cid=470&year=2001&

Hmmm... definitely at risk for the tories, and no chance of a lib dem win.

Oooh... Oliver Letwin, shadow chancellor, only has a 1,400 majority! :)

Nills Lagerbaak
13-04-2005, 16:29:01
Hey I just found this independently. Reading-ites who wanna vote lib dem should definitely do this!

No point me doing this as Bristle west is a fight between labour and lib-dem.

protein
13-04-2005, 16:41:03
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
I didnt understand before why bracknell was tory, as its so working class...

we get bnp here due to high chav population
the tories share alot of the same views and capitalise on the same fears.

The Shaker
13-04-2005, 18:29:18
They just don't have the catchy slogans.

Provost Harrison
13-04-2005, 18:32:46
Originally posted by protein
the tories share alot of the same views and capitalise on the same fears.

I think the best example of this is Romford which is Tory. Now Romford is chav central but if you look at their rather controversial MP (Andrew Rosindell) and his almost BNP like nature and stance, you see why he appeals to that populace...

MOBIUS
13-04-2005, 18:42:18
Mmmm, Romford...

:nervous:

Provost Harrison
13-04-2005, 18:48:24
I bet you love the place really ;)

MOBIUS
13-04-2005, 19:01:11
:D

Spartak
13-04-2005, 19:15:22
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
I didnt understand before why bracknell was tory, as its so working class, but ma boss tells me its because it takes in part of windsor and wokingham. The blue rinse brigade.

Lib Dem are in third place here, but tactically if we unseat tories and install labour, labour have a greater chance of wining the whole election, so I'd rather tories won here as they have fuck all chance.

we get bnp here due to high chav population, so hoping that they at least dont get in I just noticed that Labour were second. For some reason I though the lib-dems were second. That's it - I'm voting labour even though I prefer the libs. Mrs Spartak says if I do that she will vote Tory just to teach me a lesson. Bah!

MOBIUS
13-04-2005, 19:16:47
Then you should both vote Lib Dem to add to their national share if you're only going to cancel each other out...

Provost Harrison
13-04-2005, 20:14:58
Well as I say, I am tempted to vote Labour in Bexleyheath and Crayford just to help deny the Tories of a seat they could win! :eek:

MOBIUS
13-04-2005, 20:25:38
Actually if you want to help the Lib Dems you should vote Tory - even if they do well in the election they're not going to get overall control and we may even get a hung parliament if we're lucky...

Go on, you know you want to vote Tory...:p

*End Is Forever*
14-04-2005, 00:40:22
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Hey I just found this independently. Reading-ites who wanna vote lib dem should definitely do this!

No point me doing this as Bristle west is a fight between labour and lib-dem.

Bristol West is a three-way marginal. Don't believe everything you read on a Focus leaflet...

Spartak
14-04-2005, 14:48:47
Originally posted by MOBIUS
Go on, you know you want to vote Tory...:p :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: