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HelloKitty
30-03-2005, 10:57:21
Wow!

They just came out witht he details of the "combat update"

http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/combat_upgrade/

That isn't an update, it is a complete scrapping of the game system and moving to a system that works.

Been playing some JTL since it is on the all pass.

JM^3
30-03-2005, 11:23:08
that look slike quite the upgrade

maybe I should try it out (I really want at least one of my freinds to try it out, two are playing AO still (one heavily into it, the other is also interested in WOW), and the other has sworn off MMOs for now) (of the three who would play..)

what is JTL?

JM

HelloKitty
30-03-2005, 12:08:54
JTL is jump to lightspeed.

Its the space shooter expansion.

JM^3
30-03-2005, 12:12:30
oh, that looked cool

my one freind is really addicted to AO though, he plays it over 10 hours most days (doesn't have a job right now, and played that much when he did have a job which is wy he doesn't have a job right now)

Jon Miller

JM^3
30-03-2005, 12:17:11
one thing
I don't like about AO is the combat...

it is really boring

both EQ2 and CoH had much better combat

Jon Miller
(FF XI's might have been worse)

HelloKitty
30-03-2005, 12:57:25
The new SWG system is looking like it is a version of the EQ2 system but with ranged being important.

Will have to see in a few weeks. I will probably try out the patch on the test server ina week or two.

Venom
30-03-2005, 13:14:31
I'm seriously thinking about going Matrix Online. Let me know when one of you losers plays that.

Greg W
30-03-2005, 13:20:12
A mate of mine tried the Beta for Matrix Online and liked it.

HelloKitty
30-03-2005, 13:45:00
I have not heard anything good about MO, and the only negatives I have heard are from people who have not played it.

It didn't look like anything I wanted to play so never paid it much attention.

You are best off hitting WOW, EQ2, or SOE all access.

SOE all access gives you EQ1, EQ2, SWG, Planetside, and a bunch of other crappier games for 20 bucks a month rather than 14 per game.

The only game to wait for is Vanguard!

Venom
30-03-2005, 13:47:23
What is this Vanguard?

HelloKitty
30-03-2005, 13:54:44
Vanguard is a MMO in development that is being created by many of the big names who pioneered UO, EQ, AO, and DAOC, along with some of the horizons devs who left while that game was in alpha.

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/index.php

Thier idea is to make something new, rather than a skin of EQ (like WOW is), something horribly broken (ground part SWG so far), or just a much more complex version of EQ (EQ2).

SWG was the only totally new concept any of the big games tried in a long time, its just they made the mistake of working with Lucas Arts and it is taking them 2 years after release to have the game done.

It is in prebeta but most long term players are watching it closely.

Venom
30-03-2005, 14:37:43
You have raised my level of intrigue. I will look into it.

JM^3
30-03-2005, 20:56:30
so you don't have much hope for MEO?

JM

Asher
30-03-2005, 21:01:43
HelloKitty wouldn't know a good game if it bit her in her oversized arse.

Venom
30-03-2005, 21:12:12
Asher also makes a good point.

Greg W
30-03-2005, 23:52:05
Yeah, but Asher wouldn't know a good game if it fucked him in his oversized arse.

Asher
31-03-2005, 01:30:19
You didn't mind fucking it last night, Greggy.

Greg W
31-03-2005, 02:27:11
I need a spacious arse to take my enormous manhood. And I was drunk. Yep, that's it, drunk. :nervous:

HelloKitty
31-03-2005, 04:12:51
But for asher having his ass fucked and bit is no game. It is his job.

HelloKitty
01-04-2005, 13:19:57
Well the combat revamp hit the test server today.

They have all advanced stuff disabled at the moment so you can only test teh low level profs.

My biggest fear was they would do this half assed and not completely scrap all the problems.

I was wrong. I checked the boards a few hours ago and saw them aflame with all the l33t people super pissed off because they will no longer be able to wrestle a krayt dragon to death solo etc.

The system is closer to WOW than EQ2, but with ranged being the most powerful form of combat, unless you lett he guy with the sword run up and stand still for him to hit you.

All the creatures have been revamped, so everyone is adjusting to the fact that one shot kills before now can kick a group of 5 ass.

It is looking good. If this works out SWG may become the winner that it could have been.

I am going to max out my 2 mains on the live servers before the change goes lve though, so I can have the ability to play the high end and start a lowbie when the changes go out.

Besides, I want to keep using my t-21 rifle.

JM^3
01-04-2005, 15:27:26
I was looking at it and thinking cool

should I start now, or wait for it to hit live?

JM

JM^3
01-04-2005, 15:38:31
what do you think of RotW?

JM

Greg W
01-04-2005, 15:40:52
Return of the Wankers?

JM^3
01-04-2005, 15:49:26
Revenge of the Wookies...

JM

HelloKitty
01-04-2005, 17:19:48
RotW is in closed testing still, no real info about it. It should add lots of content, that was a big problem with SWG since it is player driven content, economy, crafting, etc.

If you started now you could play before the combat revamp and build up a stupid amount of cash, get super fast skills etc. But it is fast, easy, and dull. But then you would also have a chance to learn how the game works in general. But the ground game is broken all to hell at the moment.

JM^3
03-04-2005, 01:21:50
bought galaxies...

me and my freind can't figure out how to get cash.. and just figured out how to do some very basic things (like harvest bodies for resources.. and press alt to free the mouse)

basically the game could be a lot more newby freindly.. because we dont' even know what is going on half the time (and we have both played stupid ammounts of AO,a s well as EQ2 and CoH (and I have played FFXI))

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
03-04-2005, 04:25:32
If you get on bria I can help you out.

HelloKitty
03-04-2005, 04:54:55
Oh, but as a warning, Bria is the unofficial PVP server and was also the beta server. It has about 3-4 times the population of any other server except maybe the roleplay one.

On bad days on busy planets it is WoW level lag.

Also did you get JTL?

As for the game and controls etc now, it will all be changing in a month.

For the controls change to the "MMO/EQ" style keyset. I find it easier to use.

JM^3
03-04-2005, 11:14:25
I Think I am on Anhiza...

I didn't get JtL, it is suppose to come with RotW....

I changed some of them.. but maybe I should just change the whole keyset

I like using wasd to move..

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
03-04-2005, 11:48:58
I thnk RotW is just coming with expanded material for JTL, you would still need to buy JTL. I may be wrong though.

Oh, and test server 5 has teh combat upgrade on it, if you want to see the game you will be playing in a month log on to that.

And if you want a good laugh and a chance to see what a forum community out of control is like, go look at the SWG official boards.

Since release they have been the nastiest people. ALmost goat boy level. My favorite fromt eh last couple days is the developer answering a question just because he knows it will cause a fight over something stupid.

Don'tpay any attention to any of the info on those boards though. Unless the name is Red, meaning they work for SWG, thier title is Correspondant, or thier title is "blue Glowie" don't believe anything.

JM^3
03-04-2005, 11:52:32
I was thinking of just playing on that..

but it was down when I started my account

they are saying on the forums that RotW comes with JtL, but not sure..

Jon Miller

JM^3
03-04-2005, 11:54:10
also, I think one of my pistols disappeared?

and missions that give you good moneyt are really ahrd to do

and my freind said that buying things was annoying..

JM

HelloKitty
03-04-2005, 11:54:16
I doubt it. It comes with new ships and also adds things like space mining.

But they may package them together. JTL is only 20$ now.

JM^3
03-04-2005, 11:55:32
yeah.. the forums were worthless...

JM

JM^3
03-04-2005, 11:56:19
Starwars Galaxies is only 20 right now

JM

HelloKitty
03-04-2005, 11:59:58
also, I think one of my pistols disappeared?


Um, did you put it in the bank, sell it, or delete it?



and missions that give you good moneyt are really ahrd to do


If you want fast easy money as a newbie you have a few choices. Keeping in mind a lot of this may not work soon, since the game is changing.

1- Get JTl and be rich. New characters start with 75k so they can buy a ship. Plus money is easy to get in JTL. I am only starting T3 and have made a good million credits from JTL.

2- Take novice artesian and do survey missions. once you find a resource make a waypoint there and just keep taking the same type of mission and running back and forth. Buy a speeder ASAP

3- Keep doing missions till you have 15k, then buy Doc buff, Entertainer buffs, and be invincable and do tons of missions super fast.


and my freind said that buying things was annoying..

Yeah, there is no way to have items delivered to you. You can search the entire galaxy for items but to get it you have to travel there. Once you have a swoop bike it gets easy, and if you have your own ship it is no big deal at all.

HelloKitty
04-04-2005, 17:16:39
Also, I am getting close to being able to pilot multiplayer ships!

I will need a gunner to help me kill terrorist rebel scum.

Get JTL and move your friend and yourself over to Bria. I can help you make up anything you lose in the transfer.

Hell, if I get a multi person ship you can gun for me a few missions and you get exp and can keep the cash. Made 140k in about 90 min this morning.

JM^3
05-04-2005, 00:15:33
multiplayer ships are really cool

I was hoping that they would have them..

my freind doesn't want to restart characters (he has pistol 3 and doesn't want to start working towards pistol 4)

Jon Miller

JM^3
05-04-2005, 00:28:08
my damage went way down when I equiped my new weapon (DH17 Carbine)

it says min 11, max 80 (I think)

my old CDF I would occasinoalyl do 32 damage.. this weapon I never do more than 22 though

Jon Miller

JM^3
05-04-2005, 07:13:16
hmm.. old weapon I always did close to 60

just got Carbine 2, still can't use DH17 carbine.. despite is suppose to be certified with Novice Marksman (andon my certified list)

is it some problem with wookies?

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
05-04-2005, 14:21:03
Not sure. Wookiees have all kinds of odd cert reqs. I do know that carbines are currently the worst of the 3 main ranged guns. High stat cost, low damage, weak specials.

Also be careful for the next few weeks with changing guns. The damage type, armour piercing, partial damages, creature resists (that you need ranger skills to see) etc all play a factor. Before buying somethng doa search and fins a master carbineer and ask them their opinion. I can only comment on pistols and rifles. I have master marksman but never took carbs beyond that.

So anyway the CDEF may be worse, but against what you are fighting it may be much better. There are about 25 variables for every creature vs every gun.

All this is being changed in the CU so you will be able to tell what is good when easily.

If your friend changes his mind tell me. I won't be on much the next week but I can easily help you all get pistols 4, carb 4, etc in about 3-4 hours.

I am currently Master Marksman, Master Rifles, Novice TKA, with some creature handler with some force sensitive relfex skills.. Also am a t3 pilot in Storm squadron although I have not bought my Tie interceptor or bomber yet.

I will be dropping the creature handler though and taking the 2 TKA defense trees since that way after the CU I can wear regular clothes and not recon armour and still have defenses.

HelloKitty
05-04-2005, 16:58:27
Ah and I saw what you were talking about with JTL coming with RotW.


Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided™ and Jump to Lightspeed™ are required to play this expansion. Jump to Lightspeed is included with your order of the digital download expansion, Episode III Rage of the Wookiees.

So I guess if you preorder and download rather than buy the disks you get both for 25$.

HelloKitty
06-04-2005, 17:56:18
Oh, a char builder site with all the CU changes is now up.


If you want to see what I am doing here is my planned final template now that the info is released.

Master Rifleman. Master TKA. 4004 Marksman, 4040 brawler, 4440 Force sensitive reflexes (vehicle control, ranged and melee defense), 4440 Force sensitive combat (ranged speed and melee and ranged accuracy).

Plus when i finish all that I will take lightsaber 1 with my few leftover points just so I can annoy bounty hunters.

JM^3
06-04-2005, 20:08:00
that is cool

what is the URL??

me and my freind are looking to be bounty hunters..

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
06-04-2005, 21:39:15
Here is one of them. Looks liek this one has all the stuff since the CU update yesterday

http://swg.bur.st/swg-cb.php?prof_id=10


And BH can be a lot of fun. But you will want to read the hell out of the Jedi/FS/ and BH forums on the website.

BH is a hell of a grind, but once you get good you can start picking up player bounties to kill jedi.

Basicly, any time a PC jedi is within viewing distance of any Player or humanoid NPC, and they wear their robes, use a force power, equip their saber, etc they gain "visability".

Then they show up on the bounty hunter mission terminals and you get to hunt them.

Nothing beats ganking a 12 year old l33t boy while he is hanging out at the starport talking about how cool he is.

If you get lucky he will have his vehicle out and you can destroy it too.

Just beware the people that do things like me, and have strange templates. Most players who get Jedi opened play a jedi. I plan to stay a master rifle/TKM and wear the robes and saber all the time to attract BHs. They will come expecting a jedi fight, which if planned well and the jedi is below master saber with BH will own him.

The BHs are rarely ready for a jedi to do something like pull out a t21 and shoot them in the head.

HelloKitty
06-04-2005, 21:39:58
Oh, and what server are you on and what is your player name exactly?

If I have a toon on that server I may have something I can give you.

JM^3
07-04-2005, 06:26:44
Vishnash is my name, am on Anhiza (the first server)

I am a wookie

my freind has some decent money actually...

and yeah.. we both really want to come in and strike some jedi (although having a jedi myself would be cool)

what is a good neutral multiplayer (or two person??) ship?

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 12:15:24
ebel:

* (Tier 0) Z-95: 5k Resources ~12k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.95 Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
Official All 6 Textures
* (Tier 1) Y-Wing: 15k Resources ~150k mass [SP: 1 Gun MP:+1] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.85 Acc 15 Dec 25 Pitch 80 Yaw 80 Roll 40]
Official All 6 Textures
* (Tier 2) Y-Wing LP: 30k Resources ~170k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 2 missiles
[Spdx 0.85 Acc 10 Dec 20 Pitch 70 Yaw 70 Roll 35]
Official All 6 Textures
* (Tier 3) X-Wing: 60k Resources ~100k mass [SP: 3 Guns] 1 missiles
[Spdx 0.95(Foils Closed) 0.90(Foils Open) Acc 25 Dec 30 Pitch 300 Yaw 200 Roll 150]
Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6 All 6 together Official All 6 Textures
* (Tier 4) A-Wing: 80k Resources ~65k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 250 Yaw 250 Roll 125]
Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6 All 6 together Official All 6 Textures
* (Tier 5) B-Wing: 150k Resources ~240k mass [SP: 4 Guns] 2 missiles
[Spdx 0.85(Foils Closed) 0.80 (Foils Open) Acc 10 Dec 15 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 25]
Offical all 6 Textures and gun styles
* (Tier 5) Nova Courier: 150k Resources ~5m mass [SP: 0 Guns MP:+2] 3 missiles
[Spdx 0.8 Acc 5 Dec 5 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 37.5]

Freelancer:

* (Tier 0) Scyk: 5k Resources ~12k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.95 Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
Style 1 Style 2 Both in one pic All 6 Textures
* (Tier 1) Dunelizard: 15k Resources ~85k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.95 Acc 30 Dec 30 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 150]
Style 1 Style 2 Both in one pic
Official All 6 Textures - Style 1 Official All 6 Textures - Style 2
* (Tier 2) Kihraxz: 30k Resources ~40k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 50 Pitch 400 Yaw 400 Roll 200]
Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6
Style 1 Style 2 Style 3 Style 4 All 4 in one pic
* (Tier 2) Kimogila: 30k Resources ~110k mass [SP: 3 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.92 Acc 35 Dec 35 Pitch 100 Yaw 100 Roll 50]
Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6
Official All 6 Textures Style 1 Style 2 Both in one pic
* (Tier 3) Ixiyen: 65k Resources ~95k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.95 Acc 25 Dec 30 Pitch 200 Yaw 200 Roll 100]
Style 1 Style 2 Style 3 Style 4 All 4 in one pic
Style 3: Texture 1 Texture 2 Texture 3 Texture 4 Texture 5 Texture 6
* (Tier 4) Rihxyrk: 90k Resources ~190k mass [SP: 3 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.89 Acc 35 Dec 35 Pitch 100 Yaw 100 Roll 50]
Style 1 Style 2 Style 3 Style 4 All 4 in one pic All 6 Textures
* (Tier 5) YT-1300: 150k Resources ~5m mass [SP: 0 Guns MP:+2] 2 missiles
[Spdx 0.8 Acc 5 Dec 5 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 37.5]
Official All 6 Textures
* (Tier 5) MT22 Krayt: 150k Resources ~210k mass [SP: 3 Guns MP:+1] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.92 Acc 50? Dec 50? Pitch 100 Yaw 100 Roll 50]

Imperial:

* (Tier 0) TIE-LD: 5k Resources ~12k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 0 missile
[Spdx ?? Acc 50 Dec 50 Pitch 600 Yaw 600 Roll 300]
* (Tier 1) TIE-F: 15k Resources ~20k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.98 Acc 40 Dec 50 Pitch 500 Yaw 500 Roll 250]
* (Tier 2) TIE/IN: 30k Resources ~40k mass [SP: 1 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.97 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 200]
* (Tier 3) TIE-Bomber: 60k Resources ~190k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 2 missiles
[Spdx 0.85 Acc 10 Dec 15 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 25]
* (Tier 3) TIE-In: 60k Resources ~50k mass [SP: 1 Gun] 1 missile
[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 150]
* (Tier 4) TIE-Adv: 80k Resources ~65k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 1 missile
[Spdx 1.0 Acc 40 Dec 60 Pitch 300 Yaw 300 Roll 150]
* (Tier 4) TIE-Agg: 80k Resources ~120k mass [SP: 1 Gun MP:+1] 1 missile
[Spdx 0.95 Acc 20 Dec 30 Pitch 150 Yaw 150 Roll 75]
* (Tier 5) TIE-Opp: 150k Resources ~170k mass [SP: 2 Guns] 3 missiles
[Spdx 0.9 Acc 35 Dec 35 Pitch 100 Yaw 100 Roll 50]
* (Tier 5) TIE-Dec: 150k Resources ~5m mass [SP: 0 Guns MP:+2] 3 missiles
[Spdx ?? Acc 5 Dec 5 Pitch 50 Yaw 50 Roll 37.5]

Lets see if this list prints right.

These are all the non-reward/special ships.

Neuts don't get a MP ship until the very end. The krayt and the yt. But the Neut missions are the easiest.


Rebels get the earliest mp ship at tier 1, so basicly you can get it after you do the intro missions and get 1000 in Reb pilot. It has a huge total mass so you can keep it all the way to the end.

Imps don't get one till t4. Plus the imp missions are much harder than the others. The one I accedentally picked (storm squad) has 3 mission on lvl 3 that take a group of 8 pilots your own level to do, or you can beg an ace or two to help you. And the damn things are 5 parts with no save points taking about 2+ hours.

So, if you want to fly together you can either both get a ship and fly missions with one of you being the wing man, or you can go terrorist reble scum and get the b-wing early on.

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 12:20:08
Do you mean Ahazi?

JM^3
07-04-2005, 14:27:00
yeah

hmm, I still think we want to go neutral

we are trying to get a 3rd freind to join us, so would like the final ship to be something that all can get in

I looked at the RotW ships and they are all small 1 person fighters..

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 15:49:00
Yes, the YT is the Mill Falcon style.

It has space for a pilot for steering, Co-pilot for programs/commands/bombing/whatever, and then 2 gun turrets.


You all should see if the reward Yacht is tradable. If someone will sell you one it is great. It is basicly a space house. Can't be used in combat but it is 2 tons of fun.

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 15:59:42
Tell me if you got a deposit in your bank account for 70k credits or two for a total of 140k

JM^3
07-04-2005, 17:02:33
thanks a lot, won't log on until tonight though (my time disapears fast enough as it is, and I need to do grading/research/homework)

I thought there was an assault ship that was neutral also (was that the Krayt?)

maybe it was imperial...

it would be cool i fyou could fly someone elses ship.. I would like to fly a modified x-wing or something

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 17:05:57
yes the Krayt is Mp ship.

It can handle a pilot, copilot, and one gunner.

With all the MP ships you also want to have someone on repair duty, where all they really do is run around the inside and fix the damage the ship has taken.


As for flying other ships, if you are invited up you can fly any multiplayer ship, but things like the X-wings and other SP ships are faction specific.

JM^3
07-04-2005, 17:29:55
cool

do you know if I sign up for RotW I get JtL now, or when RotW ships?

some of te ships sound sort of faction specific, but than it says that mercenaries and pirates like to use them too

what are the space missions like?

Jon Miller

JM^3
07-04-2005, 17:51:25
I got a desposit in my account, thanks

I followed my freind to datooine, and now I don't know where the ticket seller is to get off (I can't handle the stuff there at all, he needs to start a new skill (like carbine or something) so that we are more even

now I need to grade

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 17:56:16
No clue on the ROTW thing. Check the forums and ask. It is all download though so it may let you get it now.

The missions depend on what you are doing.

Advancement in JTL is different than on the ground. You need to take all 4 boxes in a tier to move up to the next. ANd some tiers you cannot spend exp to train you have to do the missions.


The general missions you can take anytime unless you are at an advancement mission are (IMPS anyway, have not done other factions);

1- Patrol. Get a waypoint, go there, kill a few flights of bad guys, repeat, eventually a boss will come hunting you. This is an open ended mission and after the boss you can start over witha new waypoint but more enemies will be in each wave. Most I have gotten to was 7 bosses, but I was at the top of my tier. At the low end of the tier 2 bosses will rape you.

2- Escort. You need to be wingman for a shuttle, transport, whatever.

3- capture, repair, protect. You have a target where you need to disable it, fight off the escort, allow your troops to storm the bridge, protect it for repairs, then escort it to your base.

4- Faction missions. Seek and destroy, bomb raids, etc. These are high up stuff usually in deep space.

5- Kessel piracy


The missions for the levels vary and may have multiple parts.

The last mission I did I had to

a- protect a ship carrying the firing core recovered from the Yavin 4 death star wrekage from Rebels.

b- then get a message that a ship of engineers had been taken over, so I had to go there, figh the rebels, board the ship, take it over, wait for the imp engineeers repaired it while protecting it, etc.

c- then hunt down reble spies, disable and recover thier ship computer

d- something else that was too long

e- deliver the info about the spy in the imp regement while being barraged by squads of rebels.



My current mission involves laying traps for the rebels and luring the spy out.

self biased
07-04-2005, 18:03:29
i heard rumors of possible "force sensitive" slots, which could be used for jedi pcs. what have you heard?

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 18:15:35
Rumors?

My character is force sensitive.

The path to jedi is a test of patience though. The devs made it have a good story but the grind is so painful and slow that most people just say "I don't have 6 month of my life to waste on this".

Just to get force sensitive you have to earn a certain number of badges, most of these you can get just by visiting locations like Ben Kenobi's old home etc.

You need 5 content badges though which means you ahve to do at least 1 or 2 really ass hard ones.

Once you ahve done all that, sometime while you are playing "an old man" will approach you and ask you if you ever thought you were connected to the force. Give himt eh right andswer and he gives you a crystal. Then at some point sith shadows will ambush you. If you are lucky like me it will ahppen 3 days later while you are using the bathroom.

If you beat them you get a datapad with information about a village on dathomir. The village is a refuge for force sesitive people (NOT JEDI) and you can go there an do missions to open up force sensitive skills.

If you do 6 full sets of force sense skills you then can go meditate at a force shrine and become start the trials to become a jedi padawan. After those 16 trials you make a lightsaber and bounty hunter players start killing the shit out of you since you are basicly Luke in the original movie.

Just to get to the jedi trials it takes something like 14 times the exp it takes to master an elite profession (like rifleman or bounty hunter).


My server ahs a glut of Jedi though. Since it is the pvp server and has a huge population we have tons of everything though. There were 5 light jedi a the bestine starport last night slaughtering imp players that were landing as a blockade until finally a group of dark jedi and some BHs showed up to kill them.

JM^3
07-04-2005, 18:35:03
so your character that you have been playing goes Force Sensitive?

it isn't like you do some things, and than can start a force sensitive character?

JM

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 18:49:16
No, that was the old system.

The old way if you unlocked a FS slot you could make a second character on the same server that was FS. That character was permadeath though. When created you had a hidden random number of deaths you could clone from 1-5. After that you were dead and your toon erased. And since BHs were constantly hunting you and a Boba Fett level BH vs a kid with a laser stick wasn't much of a fight they revamped the system.

The old way of unlocking was nasty and had little story. When your toon was created it recived 5 flags. Every time you mastered one of the professions flagged for you took a step towards being FS. So the old jedi system the only way to become a jedi was to grind out proffessions till you unlocked and drop as you master and start another.

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 20:16:20
Test center-5 combat upgrade is moving to mid level today. Shoudl be able to use the "frogs" to instant train your character.

If you want to try out master BH and the other proffs set up and try out TC-5 tonight.

The large blue frog things allow you to get free everything and if they are fully on set your own exp etc.

You won't be able to check out the jedi player hunts though, since the jedi are ebing tested by 5 hand picked master jedi players and they know what they are doing.

Asher
07-04-2005, 21:15:13
Too bad this game still sucks.

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 21:25:46
Originally posted by Asher
Too bad this game still sucks.

Any MMO game that is too easy, advancement is too rapid, is too soloable, and has little top end material sucks. The CU/RotW is fixing that.

How is WoW treating you?

Asher
07-04-2005, 21:33:09
Great, the Honour System is live on the test servers and coming VerySoon(tm) to the regulars.

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 21:41:45
Looks like a near exact copy of the SWG FRS system.

How are they going ot prevent the fight clubs that guilds will form to exploit the system?

Asher
07-04-2005, 21:46:30
FRS is what?

HelloKitty
07-04-2005, 21:52:08
The PVP ranking system for Jedi in SWG. It is pretty much identical to the wow system except in SWG you need to rank to progress.

It is very easily exploited and the top players are always predictable each week even though they may never pvp outside of a "fight club".

Asher
08-04-2005, 01:56:41
No idea on potential exploits and what they plan to do with it. Don't really care, either.

If someone exploits it in my guild, they're out. ;)

I do know that there is diminishing returns on fighting the same people repeatedly.

JM^3
08-04-2005, 23:18:41
my freind now is trying to unlock his force sensitiveness

I still want to play just a normal character

(and do the jedi hunting Bounty Hunter theme)

he said he would still help me kill jedi's

I am thinking of doing the investigation path of bounty hunter, the tracking path of ranger, all of scout, part of marksman (like the combat trainigna nd maybe some rifle?? which is what I have started doing now, I still can't use the DH17 carbine)

I am thinking of mastering creature handler.... as my primary combat skill (with a bit of rifle thrown in

Jon Miller

JM^3
08-04-2005, 23:21:32
Skills Summary:

Novice Scout
Master Scout
Exploration I: Fundamentals
Exploration II: Advanced Principles
Exploration III: Harsh Environment Training
Exploration IV: Alien Environment Training
Trapping I: Makeshift Design
Trapping II: Refined Design
Trapping III: Martial Design
Trapping IV: Elite Martial Design
Hunting I: Civilian Methodology
Hunting II: Military Methodology
Hunting III: Trandoshan Methodology
Hunting IV: Unconventional Methodology
Survival I: Rudimentary Techniques
Survival II: Advanced Techniques
Survival III: Harsh Environment Techniques
Survival IV: Special Techniques
Novice Marksman
Rifles I: Long Range Combat
Rifles II: Concealed Firing
Rifles III: Improved Aim
Rifles IV: Sniping
Ranged Support I: Aim & Threaten
Ranged Support II: Maneuvers
Ranged Support III: Warning Shot
Ranged Support IV: Suppression
Novice Rifleman
Sniping I: Mind Shot 2
Novice Ranger
Wayfaring I: Basic Concealment
Wayfaring II: Rough Terrain Mastery
Wayfaring III: Stealth Techniques
Wayfaring IV: Exploration Mastery
Tracking I: Direction Sense
Tracking II: Path Reading
Tracking III: Improved Direction Sense
Tracking IV: Man Hunting
Novice Creature Handler
Master Creature Handler
Creature Taming I: Basic Domestication
Creature Taming II: Pacification Techniques
Creature Taming III: Behavioral Science
Creature Taming IV: Animal Language
Creature Training I: Animal Rapport
Creature Training II: Obedience Education
Creature Training III: Martial Obedience Education
Creature Training IV: Tactical Animal Psychology
Creature Empathy I: Animal Comprehension
Creature Empathy II: Animal Compassion
Creature Empathy III: Biological Affinity
Creature Empathy IV: Consonance of Will
Creature Management I: Group Organization
Creature Management II: Advanced Organization
Creature Management III: Pack Management
Creature Management IV: Absolute Trust
Novice Bounty Hunter
Investigation I
Investigation II
Investigation III
Investigation IV

Jon Miller

JM^3
08-04-2005, 23:28:52
that is of course after the upgrade.. I Coudln't get the bounty hunter before the CU

I am also thinking being a smuggler would be cool, or maybe going more rifle and not doing creature handler

Jon Milelr

HelloKitty
09-04-2005, 02:54:38
CH is fun, but untilt he CU it is useless. It used to be the most uber insane power proff but the devs nerfed it into oblivion at teh same time they buffed up everyone else.

I have a master CH/BE on Tarq who was my first character.

My character now is rifle/CH but I iwll probably drop the CH for TK. Depends on how the CU testing goes. If I can get by with no armour with just novice TKM, I will keep CH.

If you dabble in CH I think most people recommend 4004 or 0404. With this and BE taming clothes you can tame a bioengineered Rancor.

I just finished tier 3 Storm squad. I need to hunt down about 80 pirates and I will be able to get the tier 4 ships!

JM^3
09-04-2005, 23:25:08
I am liking rifle more than carbine

headshot is uber

now if only I can get a better rifle than the CDEF than I will be happy (I still can't put on the DH17 Carbine)

JM

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 00:29:29
Make sure you read the changes to rifleman for the CU.

They are supposed to be the highest damage dealers after the CU, but they can no longer move plus since there is no longer a mind pool headshot is changing.

Lots of new abilities and tons of new rifles with the CU though.

I am master Rifleman and it is great.


Hating tier 4 for JTL right now. Got my T4 ships, was given a mission which had 2 Rebel Nova gunboats in it. Luckily an Ace with a firespray was bored and came and helped me take them out.

Sadly the mission didn't reward with a skill box, so I have to kill 333 tier 4 ships to get a new ability :(

197 to go.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 00:31:13
Oh, and it appears that the TK innate armour is a straight percent damage reduction.

ex novice TK with no armour takes 80% of normal damage, 0440 TK takes 60% of normal damage, Master TK takes 40%.

Witht eh huge melee and ranged defense mods from TKM and rifle I think that will be a decent combo.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 00:53:16
but you wouldn't have many kill poinst for other things (because you would need to take a lot of marksman and brawler)?

my freind is working on the last adventure patches for his character

I just don't play near as much as he does

just watched the clone wars cartoon series.. is very actiony, but I am so into starwars at this point in time (hoepfully episode 3 won't disappoint)

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 01:12:04
do you know if Ranger's
Tracking I: Direction Sense
Tracking II: Path Reading
Tracking III: Improved Direction Sense
Tracking IV: Man Hunting
will improve off of BH's
Investigation I
Investigation II
Investigation III
Investigation IV

also, what are all the specials that BH and Commando get, how cool are they?

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 01:30:42
here is a setup without the ranger..
.
Novice Scout
Exploration I: Fundamentals
Exploration II: Advanced Principles
Exploration III: Harsh Environment Training
Exploration IV: Alien Environment Training
Hunting I: Civilian Methodology
Hunting II: Military Methodology
Hunting III: Trandoshan Methodology
Hunting IV: Unconventional Methodology
Novice Marksman
Rifles I: Long Range Combat
Rifles II: Concealed Firing
Rifles III: Improved Aim
Rifles IV: Sniping
Ranged Support I: Aim & Threaten
Ranged Support II: Maneuvers
Ranged Support III: Warning Shot
Ranged Support IV: Suppression
Novice Rifleman
Sniping I: Mind Shot 2
Sniping II: Head Shot 3
Sniping III: Surprise Shot
Sniping IV: Sniper Shot
Concealment I: Conceal Shot
Concealment II: Cover Fighting
Rifle Abilities I: Flurry Shot
Rifle Abilities II: Defensive Firing
Novice Creature Handler
Master Creature Handler
Creature Taming I: Basic Domestication
Creature Taming II: Pacification Techniques
Creature Taming III: Behavioral Science
Creature Taming IV: Animal Language
Creature Training I: Animal Rapport
Creature Training II: Obedience Education
Creature Training III: Martial Obedience Education
Creature Training IV: Tactical Animal Psychology
Creature Empathy I: Animal Comprehension
Creature Empathy II: Animal Compassion
Creature Empathy III: Biological Affinity
Creature Empathy IV: Consonance of Will
Creature Management I: Group Organization
Creature Management II: Advanced Organization
Creature Management III: Pack Management
Creature Management IV: Absolute Trust
Novice Bounty Hunter
Master Bounty Hunter
Investigation I
Investigation II
Investigation III
Investigation IV
Bounty Carbine Specialization I
Bounty Carbine Specialization II
Bounty Carbine Specialization III
Bounty Carbine Specialization IV
Bounty Pistol Specialization I
Bounty Pistol Specialization II
Bounty Pistol Specialization III
Bounty Pistol Specialization IV
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization I
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization II
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization III
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization IV

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 01:42:51
here is a commando path

Novice Scout
Exploration I: Fundamentals
Exploration II: Advanced Principles
Exploration III: Harsh Environment Training
Exploration IV: Alien Environment Training
Novice Brawler
Unarmed I: Street Fighting
Unarmed II: Stunning Attack
Unarmed III: Blinding Attack
Unarmed IV: Teras Kasi Fundamentals
Novice Marksman
Rifles I: Long Range Combat
Rifles II: Concealed Firing
Rifles III: Improved Aim
Rifles IV: Sniping
Ranged Support I: Aim & Threaten
Ranged Support II: Maneuvers
Ranged Support III: Warning Shot
Ranged Support IV: Suppression
Novice Rifleman
Sniping I: Mind Shot 2
Sniping II: Head Shot 3
Sniping III: Surprise Shot
Concealment I: Conceal Shot
Novice Bounty Hunter
Master Bounty Hunter
Investigation I
Investigation II
Investigation III
Investigation IV
Bounty Carbine Specialization I
Bounty Carbine Specialization II
Bounty Carbine Specialization III
Bounty Carbine Specialization IV
Bounty Pistol Specialization I
Bounty Pistol Specialization II
Bounty Pistol Specialization III
Bounty Pistol Specialization IV
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization I
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization II
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization III
Light Lightning Cannon Specialization IV
Novice Commando
Master Commando
Explosives I
Explosives II
Explosives III
Explosives IV
Heavy Beam Weapons I
Heavy Beam Weapons II
Heavy Beam Weapons III
Heavy Beam Weapons IV
Heavy Incendiary Weapons I
Heavy Incendiary Weapons II
Heavy Incendiary Weapons III
Heavy Incendiary Weapons IV
Heavy Acid Weapons I
Heavy Acid Weapons II
Heavy Acid Weapons III
Heavy Acid Weapons IV

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 01:44:05
what is mitigation?

Jon Miller

Greg W
10-04-2005, 02:01:06
Mitigation is less damage taken. So if you have 10% mitigation, and something hits you for 100, you only take 90 damage.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 02:09:36
Commando wpns and specials are almost all area of effect and high damage. They mix well with BH and the grenades are fun!

I don't know what works with ranger. It is not a very popular proffession and I have never done it. The game changed a lot. You used to need camps etc but the changes have really hurt rangers.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 02:11:45
I like these skills..

Area Track Area Track: Animals
Area Track: Direction Area Track: Distance
Area Track: People Area Track: Players

as well as the upped speed that a ranger has

I was reading some about the combat upgrade.. everyone seems to hate it, but it seems decent from the little information I have (from that first site you linked to)

Jon miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 02:12:01
Originally posted by JM^3
but you wouldn't have many kill poinst for other things (because you would need to take a lot of marksman and brawler)?


Yep 30 for both novice, 14 each for unarmed, sword, rifle and ranged support, 63 each for TKM and RifM. Leaves me with enough for 6 FS branches and jedi Padawan.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 02:13:15
but if BH doesn't need anymore tracking stkills, than they aren't very interesting.. and it would be better to not take all the levels of scout

Jon Miller
(I need to go do work, unfortunately I don't have my HW problem set...)

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 02:15:31
BH doesn't need the extra tracking from ranger. They use tracking droids.

BH used to require master marksman AND master scout to get novice BH!

Commando used to req master Marksman and Master Brawler to open.

They are much easier to get now.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 02:17:29
and they will get easier....

so tracking droids are enough?

the tracking players wouldn't add to it?

than I think I will go more BH, and maybe CO, instead of CH

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 02:19:57
one thing is that (this is with the CU)
ranger has battle armor mitigation
commando has assault armor mitigation
bounty hunter has reconasince armor mitigation

so I am sort of interested in what it does..

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 02:31:29
Battle has defense against energy and kinetic equally. So a good all around armour.

Assault has kinetic defense high and low energy. For front line/melee troops.

Recon has high energy and low kinetic. Snipers etc who will get shot at with blasters but probably rarely in melee.

TK innate armour is a straight reduction in damage from all attacks.

Jedi robes/powers presumably will offer damage reduction like TKs but the jedi testing is still closed on the CU test center.

Oh, and the mitigation for armour means you have less penelties while wearing it.

All the rebel armours look 100% stupid. The imp armours are the specialty storm trooper armours.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 02:34:11
I was reading some about the combat upgrade.. everyone seems to hate it, but it seems decent from the little information I have (from that first site you linked to)

Pick any date since SWG was about 3 months old and go to the board archive for that day. See if you can find a positive post from a non-corr or SOE employee. There is nothing positive on the SWG boards lol.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 02:38:41
I was just wondering if they had mroe information than I

I like the idea of being able to see what others are doing.. and than countering it

I like most of the things I have seen (making different things more different.. this might be the MMO veteran in me)

and Ic an see how an engine changing can be frustrating if you have fotten use to one engine

but some seem to think that it will change to be just like EQ2, which I am not a big fan of (or that changes will make Jedi really weak, or other such things (I know that Jedi are super uber right now bby what I have seen, but based onthe movies I know that is suppose to be the case))

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 02:41:26
I like the general ranged accuracy and speed abilities

because I think that stacks

the only problem is that you can get a whole lot more rifle accuracy, than you can get heavy weapons accuracy

and you can't master rifle/bounty hunter/ commando (or even marksman/bounty hunter/commando)

*BH and CO give the most general ranged accuracy (although mastering marksman gives some.. and one of the rifle lines gives some)

Jon Miller

self biased
10-04-2005, 02:55:57
hm... i may have to look into this. i'm considering buying a new computer.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 03:01:13
The UI and abilities changes are similar to EQ2 but closer to WoW in the way they are being made.

Again, go to the boards and search for "Eq in space" and see how long people have been screaming that the game is exactly like EQ (even though right now it has almost no simularities).

The big argument is "now there is a level system". well, there has always been a combat level, it is just visable now. Before only scouts and rangers could se it. now it is for all to see and the players have one visable as well.

Commando accuracy? Do you need it with a flamethrower or grenade?

Remember the differences between the classes. A rifleman should after the CU stay at range hidden with /cover and pick off singles with huge single target damage. They need tons of accuracy. My charcter still uses the title "sniper".

A commando charges in, tosses a grenade, flames the area, and hopes everything is dead or on fire enough to soon be dead.

Oh, and I forgot. Commando specials will have Damage over time components. Bleeding, burning, poisoned, etc.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 03:06:43
(or that changes will make Jedi really weak, or other such things (I know that Jedi are super uber right now bby what I have seen, but based onthe movies I know that is suppose to be the case))

Jedi are weak now. They were super uber for a while then in version 9 they were completely revamped. Right now proper single player templates can beat a master jedi. Jedi were basicly balanced for the CU before the CU came out.

So Jedi will be much more powerful in relation to the other lasses after the CU. I think the Jedi corr was saying the aim is to make a single master jedi skill set be 1.5x as powerful as a regular player with an elite mastery.

So a jedi master Lightsaber/Master jedi defender, with some dabbling in powers should be able to take on 3-4 players. Meaning allowing 5 BHs to hunt a single jedi at a time will make sense rather than just being a chance to greif a jedi like it is now.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 04:11:15
well, I want to be able to hunt jedis with my freind (who is going to play dark jedi (what do you know of tohse))

(so I will go neutral or imperial)

so hopefully the two of us will be able ot take down a jedi

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 04:15:13
basically my original plan (the Ranger/Creature Handler one) had (with CU) these skills

Additional Pets +3
Bounty Mission Difficulty +3
Burst Run Efficiency +70
Camouflage +80
Camping +55
Creature Harvesting +90
Creature Knowledge +90
Creature To-Hit Bonus +25
Droid Precision +120
Droid Speed +80
Droid Tracking Speed +70
Foraging +55
General Ranged Accuracy +45
General Ranged Speed +10
Mask Scent +100
Max level of pets +70
Melee Defense +25
Ranged Defense +45
Rifle Accuracy +65
Rifle Defense +20
Rifle Speed +30
Stored Pets +20
Taming Vicious Creatures +50
Taming Wild Creatures +90
Terrain Negotiation +95
Tracking Droid Effectiveness +90
Tracking Droids +8
Trapping +5

I noticed these two:
General Ranged Accuracy +45
General Ranged Speed +10

which I think adds to every Ranged Accuracy and Speed ability, so I am thinking that this build gives a total of +110 to rifle accuracy

so than I decided to see how much plus I can get

Jon Miller
(btw needs 2,192,050 XP)

JM^3
10-04-2005, 04:23:15
a plan with master BH and Rifleman (with some commando) has this

Bounty Mission Difficulty +3
Burst Run Efficiency +40
Camping +5
Creature Harvesting +15
Creature Knowledge +5
Droid Precision +130
Droid Speed +90
Droid Tracking Speed +80
General Melee Accuracy +20
General Melee Speed +10
General Ranged Accuracy +205
General Ranged Speed +60
Heavy Weapon Accuracy +25
Heavy Weapon Defense +10
Mask Scent +70
Melee Defense +140
Ranged Defense +205
Rifle Accuracy +85
Rifle Defense +30
Rifle Speed +65
Terrain Negotiation +40
Thrown Weapon Accuracy +15
Tracking Droid Effectiveness +100
Tracking Droids +12
Trapping +5
Unarmed Accuracy +65
Unarmed Damage +70
Unarmed Defense +40
Unarmed Speed +30

note that here
General Ranged Accuracy +205
General Ranged Speed +60

giving totalled
Rifle Accuracy +85+205 = 290
Rifle Speed +65 + 60 = 125

which is a lot higher....

Jon Miller
(btw needs 10,822,550 XP)

JM^3
10-04-2005, 04:32:36
and finally here is the master commando/master bounty hunter with a bit of rifleman

note that the total accuracy for heavy weapons is a lot less...

Bounty Mission Difficulty +3
Burst Run Efficiency +40
Camping +5
Creature Harvesting +15
Creature Knowledge +5
Droid Precision +130
Droid Speed +90
Droid Tracking Speed +80
General Melee Accuracy +55
General Melee Speed +20
General Ranged Accuracy +195
General Ranged Speed +60
Heavy Weapon Accuracy +55
Heavy Weapon Defense +50
Heavy Weapon Speed +45
Mask Scent +70
Melee Defense +185
Ranged Defense +175
Rifle Accuracy +85
Rifle Defense +20
Rifle Speed +30
Terrain Negotiation +40
Thrown Weapon Accuracy +95
Thrown Weapon Speed +50
Tracking Droid Effectiveness +100
Tracking Droids +12
Trapping +5
Unarmed Accuracy +65
Unarmed Damage +70
Unarmed Defense +40
Unarmed Speed +30

totaled
Heavy Weapon Accuracy +55+195 = 250
Heavy Weapon Speed +45 + 60 = 105

Jon Miller
(also needs 10,822,550 XP)

JM^3
10-04-2005, 07:26:05
question

since jedi's ahve a +50 inate armor

and TK has a +60 inate armor

can't yuo just master both (jedi defense and TK) and have +110 inate armor, which would make you about immune?

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 10:46:48
Originally posted by JM^3
well, I want to be able to hunt jedis with my freind (who is going to play dark jedi (what do you know of tohse))

(so I will go neutral or imperial)

so hopefully the two of us will be able ot take down a jedi

Jon Miller

I don't have a jedi so I can't comment other thanwhat I have read.

You have plenty of time to play around though. It will take your friend a minimum of 18 weeks of HARD GRINDING to unlock Jedi padawan. After the CU it may be harder but it won't be easier.

You could try out mastering almost all the professions if you grind as hard as he does in less time than he will take to unlock.

They make getting a Jedi a bitch and a half.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 10:47:53
Originally posted by JM^3
question

since jedi's ahve a +50 inate armor

and TK has a +60 inate armor

can't yuo just master both (jedi defense and TK) and have +110 inate armor, which would make you about immune?

Jon Miller

Already addressed by the devs. Only the best one will work. TK innate armour counts as an armour. Jedi innate counts as an armour. Whichever is higher you use. If you put on armour neither work.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 10:50:37
Oh, and I am now 4433 Imp pilot.

Need to kill about 700 more ships, do 2 more missions then I can do my 2 ace mission!

Also made a deal with an Ace pilot who has helped me through a bunch of these missions. Trading my no decay kit for a Firespray. Glad I didn't sell that for equipment.

Could be an ace in a day or so but don't think I will be able to play at all till Thursday.

DAMN!

JM^3
10-04-2005, 15:12:43
that sucks...

so there is reason to not take both classes (although the general melee and lightsaber accuracy probably stacks)

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 15:15:45
Originally posted by HelloKitty
I don't have a jedi so I can't comment other thanwhat I have read.

You have plenty of time to play around though. It will take your friend a minimum of 18 weeks of HARD GRINDING to unlock Jedi padawan. After the CU it may be harder but it won't be easier.

You could try out mastering almost all the professions if you grind as hard as he does in less time than he will take to unlock.

They make getting a Jedi a bitch and a half.

what dooes he need?

he already has all the badges he needs for a force sensitive spot

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 15:42:32
when is CU set to come out?

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 18:39:59
Originally posted by JM^3
what dooes he need?

he already has all the badges he needs for a force sensitive spot

Jon Miller

He already has the 5 content badges needed? He is playing a lot.

After you are "glowing" with the force he has to wait for the old man to visit. This is random and the chance increases each day till it is nearly 100% on day 3 (real life time).

After the old man he will be ambushed by sith shadows. This again is random and is nearly 100% 3 days real time.

When he beats them (they are very easy) he gets a waypoint to the villiage.

Now he is force sensitive and can start unlocking branches.

To become ajedi padawan you need to unlock to the fourth level 6 FS skill branches.

Each branch requires a quest to unlock it. You can do one quest every about 3 weeks.

During those 3 weeks after you unlock a branch you can then start converting exp to FS exp. combat exp is converted 3 points to 1 FS, and weapon exp is 30 to 1.

Since you get 1 combat exp for every 30 wpn exp, if you put all the exp you earn towards FS exp it takes roughly 9.5 million wpn and 950k combat exp per branch of FS skills.

57000000 wpn exp and 5700000 comabt exp over 18 weeks, plus the missions, which after the CU won't be soloablelike they are now.

Now, if he is super rich there are other ways to get FS exp. There is a doctor rez trick but it takes 30+ million credits to afford to do it. The way most people grind is with grenades because they give all combat exp which converts 3 to 1. But at 50k a crate of grenades worth using you run out of cash real quick. That is how I opened my one branch.


After all this is done he can then start the 16 trials.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 18:42:11
Originally posted by JM^3
when is CU set to come out?

Jon Miller

In a few weeks. It goes live along with RoTW.

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 18:48:42
Originally posted by JM^3
that sucks...

so there is reason to not take both classes (although the general melee and lightsaber accuracy probably stacks)

Jon Miller

Well, remember jedi skills are more expensive than regular ones. If you are a decent level Jedi you definitly don't have the skills to be a TKM.

If you go Jedi, you really commit to being a jedi.

Now, I assume as a padawan and early jedi before you have to give up your TK skills the TK armour would still work since it is better than the jedi innate.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 19:04:12
during the first 12 weeks that we played AO, he played 560 hours

I have another freind who (still) plays AO more than him

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 19:54:44
Well, he will want to bank as much FS exp as he can before the CU. After that unless they lower the exp reqs it will be less of an insane grind and more of an impossible grind to Jedi.

He also knows that if the two of you plan to work together if you see him use force powers, hold his saber, or even wear his robes that he will get bounties against him right?

And you will not be able to protect him against the BHs.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 21:39:33
wouldn't that be true for whoever sees him?

and I didn't say we planned to play together for standard missions (he plays way more than I)

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 21:41:45
Yeah, anyone including NPCs. Only animals can see him. If an NPC humanoid, even a shaman of a primative tribe sees him he gets bounties.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 21:41:57
btw

I think that if I am grouped with him I should not add to his visibility...

normally I will probably only see him being badass when we are hunting lightside jedi together...

Jon Miller

JM^3
10-04-2005, 21:47:33
btw.. I don't tihnk that a fulln jedi can do anything but be visible

because the only combat skills jedi's have are lightsaber and lightning

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 21:51:59
You will have to check the TEF rules, but he probably won't be able to help you kill lightside jedi unless they are declared. There are some exploits that I am unsure what the devs decided on that would allow it, but otherwise he would just be in your group unless he was a BH too.

And even if you are grouped, you add visability. Anyone, in any way, always adds visability.

That is another reason jedi is hard to grind. They have to do it alone far away from people so they don't get hunted. And BH kills cause massive exp loss to jedi.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 21:54:22
won't once they attack me back, they will be visible (lightsaber) and open to attack?

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 22:06:45
You are mixing up the new and old systems.

The old system if anyone saw you you became open to pvp to everyone in the game for a while. This was back when jedi were also perma-death.

The new system you can use your powers and saber in front of people whenever you want, but you gain visability in the form of player missions to hunt you. The more visable you are the more BHs can take your misssion and the more the payout for them is.

There are ways for groups of BHs to hunt and force a jedi to get a TEF against them all, but it MAY be considered an exploit.

So, the way it would work is you would check the terminals, take a jedi bounty, then you could hunt the jedi in competition or together with other BHs hunting him. Your friend could not attack him unless he was declared overt Imp and the Light jedi was declared overt Reb.

Depending on your server this may be common. On bria, being the PVP server, there are always tons of declared players all around. If you want to find light jedi to fight you can be sure that a few times a day there will be a gang of masters slaughtering imps at the bestine starport. On bria few of the Jedi bother hiding, they want to fight and the masters wander freely in their robes with their sabers out.

Tarquinas where I used to play I almost never saw a jedi. The only time I did was when one ganked me while I had a TEF in the old system. Bastard incapped me, destroyed my speeder, killed all 3 of my pets, then led NPCs over to deathblow me so I wwould get wounds and decay.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 22:07:03
hmm

I am also really interested in what you think of commando+BH versus Rifleman+BH versus CH+bits of other things..

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-04-2005, 22:16:56
It is all going to depend on how the CU changes things.

Right now CH is fun but useless. It is by far the weakest combat profession.

After the CU CU will be relativly more powerful and be able to be a very versitile class, tank when needed, DPS when needed, Crowd control with 3 pets when needed.

Commando/Bh and Rifle/bh both should be very strong combos.

I would think that Rifle/Bh will probably turn out better for hunting targets since Bhs are going for single targets. If you want to kill a mark he is probably alone, no need to toss grenades that hit and aggro everything within 50 meters when you can use /cover to become invisable to his radar and snipe him in the head with a t-21.

But again, who knows what will happen at the high end for the CU?

You can do what most new players did when the game was new, just take all 6 newbie professions and do a little of each. See what you like and when you need to drop the skills you don't want to keep.

JM^3
10-04-2005, 22:20:24
yous ee jedi fairly openingly on Anhiza

but thety might just be the really high level jedi

JOn Miller

JM^3
11-04-2005, 05:24:37
my freind has just about mastered marksman now also (I think he is on rifle 3 and has maxed the other lines)

yesterday he had just done pistol 4 (and nothing else of it)

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
11-04-2005, 06:18:29
With buffs and armour Master marks man is only a few hours of work.

If he wants to get a headstart he needs to get some cash, a full suit of composite 80% kinetic, full doc buffs, Muon gold drugs, and Brandy, then get dancer buffs, get in a solo group and go out and AE kill 25k credit missions on dantooine.

JM^3
11-04-2005, 06:36:41
I don't think he had buffs on all the time

I do know that he has been playing straight.. maybe he didn't do it the quickness

Jon Miller

JM^3
11-04-2005, 06:41:09
I think he would like to ahve a Jedi by the time RotW comes out

btw, another freinds brother joined the server

I am still unsure if I want to go rifleman, I am worried about what will happen when the jedi discovers where I am at....

currently considering mastered CH and Rifleman with some in BH (are lightning cannons considered rifles?)

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
11-04-2005, 06:57:41
I think he would like to ahve a Jedi by the time RotW comes out

Not possible. Even if he could get all the exp he needed he can only unlock one branch per phase of the villiage. He needs 6 branches total and each phase lasts 3-4 weeks real time.

That is why it is a minimum of 18 weeks.

RoTW will be out early next month.

JM^3
11-04-2005, 07:16:57
only played a bit today

slow and steady I guess..

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
11-04-2005, 07:18:54
No reason to rush though. This isn't like EQ where you want to get to the top to see all the content.

JM^3
13-04-2005, 02:49:38
freind has a force sensitive character now...

JM

HelloKitty
13-04-2005, 04:51:48
I just finished Ace imp pilot.

Got my firspray and everything.

The final mission was very easy if you are imp. Just hang back and call bomber strikes every few minutes till you can safly go in and kill the command ship.

HelloKitty
14-04-2005, 22:21:49
lol found an awesome way to get easy cash.

I know aplace where tier 1 and teir 2 fighters spawn non-stop. I have a TIE will a turret for a second player.

I find a low level player who wants fee easy exp and cash, park my ship in the middle of the spawn site, and let him use my heavy cannon to one shot kill all the ships for a few hours.

He gets tons of exp, I give him the dropped money, which is about 100k an hour, and I keep the ship loot drops to sell or have re-engineered.

While he does this I go afk, shopping, to work, etc.

The t1 ships can't hurt my sheilds.

Venom
14-04-2005, 22:48:43
You're much more helpful in that game than you are here.

HelloKitty
15-04-2005, 03:56:31
I like the people I meet in the game.


Made 200k in drops before the guy dropped while I was working.

I need to find a spawn point for low level rebels that spawns fast and do this so I can farm tons of faction points.

JM^3
15-04-2005, 19:33:03
just got JtL

JM

HelloKitty
15-04-2005, 20:46:59
Deep space is awesome.

Hang out at busy starports and see if any Ace pilots need crew members for deep space missions. It is insane out there.

It is like the space battle in Return of the Jedi.

JM^3
16-04-2005, 03:12:45
I ahven't yet decided whether I am going to be Imp or Neu

will make that choice this weekend

if I am an imp, will I get BH missions to kill dark Jedi?

because I only want to kill light jedi

also, being a wookie I need to come up with some story to go Imp

I am thinking about something like I am a greedy wookie who sold my family into slavery for some nice gadgets..

my freinds think that I should go more the misunderstood route and say that some imp soldiers took me in as a mascot after they killed my family... and so I became an imp

Jon Miller

JM^3
16-04-2005, 03:14:51
oh, I am not going to go into space until I decide..

JM

JM^3
16-04-2005, 04:33:59
have you heard anything about whther CH will be good after the CU?

JM

HelloKitty
16-04-2005, 05:35:16
If you are a bounty hunter you can take missions to kill any kind of jedi. All jedi are illegal according to the empire.

If you only want to hunt light, don't take missions to kill dark jedi. Imp or Freelancer make no difference.

Imp missions are harder, but you get better ships AND you get faction points. So you can get IMP uniforms, requisition ground troops that follow you around and help you kill rebel scum, you can even get an AT-ST.

CH after the CU? Much better than it is now. Right now pets are useless because players are invincable with the right gear and buffs. After the CU players will need pets to tank, or if you ahve multiple pets to do crowd control.

Also right now pets in PVP are useless, after CU they will be dangerous again.

HelloKitty
16-04-2005, 05:38:46
Oh, and wookiee story to be imp.

Do some stupid life-debt story. Like Chewbacca and Han. Or the wookiee in KOTOR I, or the Evil Wookiee in KOTOR II.

Anyway, the benefiets of being part of a faction are huge.

Also if you are not part of a faction you risk searches. If you get close to imps they may stop you and search your gear. Anything contraband and all imps in the area attack. If you are an imp they just tell you to move along, or like me they apologize salute and beg forgiveness for interupting me (I am high ranked now).

Wookiees ahve higher costs of faction points for promotions though. But points are easy to get in space.

JM^3
16-04-2005, 06:07:40
cool, maybe I will do rifleman/CH than...

(the other I was thinking of was some combination of rifleman/commando/bountyhunter)

I just got some doc buffs (for 12k, only guy I oculd find selling them (was automated)) and joined the imperial side

I ahve played a bit tonight, sort of want to quit althoiugh I know that my doc buffs will run out before the morning

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
16-04-2005, 21:11:46
Like how nearly unstoppable those Doc buffs make you?

Add entertainer buffs and food/drugs that do the same thing to your mind pools, then add composite armour and PSGs that stop 90% of incoming damage and you can see why they are completely revamping the combat system.

JM^3
16-04-2005, 21:54:50
I need the entertainer buffs, because with doc buffs my mind is too small to use headshot2

started the imperial navy missions in naboo today, my freind is flying in bestine

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
17-04-2005, 03:43:21
Bestine is the HARD one.

If youa re doig the Naboo ones make sure you do the Imperial theme park. If you do the missions you can park at the Emporers retreat. If you don't do them you land there and have to do it till you get access to the inner parts of the building!

HelloKitty
18-04-2005, 23:21:27
From todays patch notes. The best bug fix ever!

Modify containment system to prevent CS from accidentally putting players in their inventory

JM^3
19-04-2005, 02:07:42
lol

JM

HelloKitty
19-04-2005, 09:59:08
So, you a pilot yet?

You space Nazi wookiee?

JM^3
26-04-2005, 02:57:48
combat upgrade comes out tomorrow

hopefully I will get to play wednesday night (haven't played much recently)

JM

JM^3
26-04-2005, 02:58:27
and yes, I am a Space Nazi Wookie Inquistitor

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
26-04-2005, 08:41:57
They postponed the CU 24 hours.

I ahve not been on much the last week or so either. Logged on tonight to get the last few points re-arranged for my respec.

HelloKitty
26-04-2005, 09:46:57
lol the l33t boys that are mad about the CU held a protest in Theed to try to lag all the other players out on Bria, so we had idiots from all the servers logging into the same spot.

Last time someone tried this SOE ported them all into space.

This time they had more fun and had attack droids invade the protest, ported some into space, some into the middle of the ocean to swim back, etc.


Oh, and the boards will likely change a lot. Tigg's now has a new boss, although he is claiming to be an equal.

The evil Brenlo, who was comm rep for EQ for a long time and kept those boards under control, and who makes Ming look like a nice guy, just introduced himself in his new position tonight.

HelloKitty
27-04-2005, 09:09:39
Well it is live! The servers will be up again tonight. Also respec is ready, so for youthis is an awesome chance to try out different things.

Respec

When you log in to the game you will receive a pop up box. This box will give you a brief explanation of respec as well as the slash command to reaccess it at a later time if you choose. You will then see an option to be taken to the respec screen. The selections on this screen are:

1. Never
2. Later
3. Yes

If you choose never, you will still have access to the initial screen by typing in the specified slash command.
If you choose later, you will receive the pop up box on your next play session.
If you choose yes, you will be taken to the respec screen.

The next screen is very complex and we highly recommend that you read it ALL before progressing. There are automated help bubbles to assist you with this process.

The respec screen looks similiar to the skill tree. You will manipulate your skill points on this screen. The only skills that will be able to be respec are the combat skills.

Players may respec their skills once every 12 hours for two weeks from the initial login for Combat Upgrade - however we there may come a time where we may need to withdraw this down the road.

Professions that can respec:

* Brawler
* Marksman
* Scout
* Fencer
* Pike
* Swordsman
* Teras Kasi
* Carbineer
* Rifleman
* Pistoleer
* Commando
* Squad Leader
* Bounty Hunter
* Doctor
* Combat Medic
* Ranger
* Jedi

JM^3
28-04-2005, 06:08:58
my server won't go up

JM

HelloKitty
28-04-2005, 10:32:29
That is no suprise.

I never try to play any game the same day of a big launch.

HelloKitty
28-04-2005, 11:03:26
Ohhh! Looks like if you get the digital download of ROTW you get 3 more ship slots.

Now I can get my YT!

JM^3
29-04-2005, 01:51:06
oh, now I suck even worse than before..

I can't use my bowcaster (need to have combat level 54)

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
29-04-2005, 04:51:14
Yeah tehre are 2 bowcasters now. One early in the rifleman tree and then the big one at master rifleman which alone would give you CL 55.

See if you are certed to use the low level one yet.

JM^3
29-04-2005, 05:43:15
I can use the low one...

umm,

the respec allows you to get levels really fast (get low levels and exchange them for higher)

JM

HelloKitty
29-04-2005, 09:12:02
Yeah, I just finished filling up 63 points of scout so I can finish up my respec.

Take advantage of it while you can!

JM^3
29-04-2005, 22:31:48
somehow I sucked the last time

I was thinking I wanted Creature Handler.. so increased scout (by taking away carbine/pistol/medical)

and now I suck, I am level 12, but can't really kill level 10 enemies..

JM

HelloKitty
30-04-2005, 00:54:24
Well master rifle/ 0440 TK Is pretty nice. CL 65.

Not sure if I will spec in TKM or use the points for other things now.

The extra 10% armour and added defense may not be worth the skill points if I can get better use from some commando and smuggler skills.

JM^3
30-04-2005, 08:35:48
I am level 14...

I had troubles at level 12 because of all the scout XP I had (I had trouble with level 8 stuff)

I respeced.. now haev trouble with level 12 stuff...

but I am pretty sure the problem right now is weapon.. I still have a require level 6 weapon

Jon Miller

JM^3
30-04-2005, 08:36:30
oh, I went from 12 -> 14 just by respecing...

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
30-04-2005, 11:30:58
Well, if your friend is high up have him take missions and group with him.

As long as you do a point of damage in the fight you get full exp. You gain skills fast at 4-5k exp per kill.,

Hit cl 72 tonight.

JM^3
30-04-2005, 13:17:14
he is level 46 or so

but when I team with him I get no XP at all

when I do a point of damage I get 1 XP point...

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
30-04-2005, 22:47:38
Are you killing things his level or your level?

My group last night had 2 level 40s three 80s and me and after every mission we had to train the low level guys in new skills.

JM^3
01-05-2005, 00:33:18
his level, I think

JM

HelloKitty
01-05-2005, 08:49:32
Thats odd.

Make sure they con as blue, white or yellow.

If you get no exp or 1 exp they are grey cons.

JM^3
01-05-2005, 09:01:25
I was wrong

now we are doing his level mobs, and both of us are rolling in it

I ge ttired before he does though, he is like 56 or higher

I am 16

Jon Milelr

JM^3
01-05-2005, 09:04:31
right now I am thinking of taking some medic

since that is a way I can help even if I am lower levels

can I be medic/rifleman/investigator line of bounty hunter? (I don't know of any skill character builder that is CU right now)

I also think that guildwars looks cool, but will wait a while to try it sine still palying AO and Galaxies..

JM

HelloKitty
01-05-2005, 12:18:46
http://www.bloodfin.org/modules/mydownloads/

for a char builder.

YOu could be mrif, mast combat med and invest 4.

Combat medic is a weaker healer than a doc but has poisons and diseases. Very strong in pvp.

HelloKitty
05-05-2005, 07:15:23
ROTW goes live tonight.

JM^3
23-05-2005, 17:09:02
Just a question. Does anyone know how to change servers?

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
24-05-2005, 01:50:40
https://store.station.sony.com/cts/charactertransfers.jsp

It costs 30$ and you don't get to bring your stuff with you, just your body and skills.

Why you switching and to where?

JM^3
24-05-2005, 14:11:07
well, I talked to my brother recently

and found out that he is on Bria or whatever

so one of us is going to switch I think

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
24-05-2005, 17:12:45
Come to Bria. Thats where I play and we are the biggest server.

I am alternating SWG and EQ2 atm.

Oh and you can always just make a new toon insead of moving, its not like you were so far in that you can't catch up.

HelloKitty
24-05-2005, 17:16:25
Oh, and what is your brother's in game name. If he is one of the creepy guys who keeps hitting on me I am going to greif you both.

JM^3
25-05-2005, 20:55:38
my brother's name is

oovoovo ired

and I still haven't decided yet which I want to do...

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
10-06-2005, 20:26:43
Have you switched?

There is another CGer that will be joining us soon, but since they only have been asking me in PMs I won't reveal thier name. I guess they don't want to be seen as the SW geekboy they are.

JM^3
10-06-2005, 21:25:16
I just watched a Jedi Master battle that was inspiring...


JM

HelloKitty
11-06-2005, 01:19:03
What server and name now?

JM^3
11-06-2005, 03:16:29
I haven't started a character on Bria yet.

JM

HelloKitty
11-06-2005, 04:48:36
Well get yoru ass over here, get established and prepare for the coming of venom.

Maybe we can start the TOD guild...

Since I am sick of people trying to get me to join, but then we would ahve to buy a guildhall, found a city, blah blah blah...

DaShi
11-06-2005, 05:14:55
Ha! I knew it was Venom! :)

JM^3
11-06-2005, 09:18:29
well.. I am also thinking about jus ttransfering my character over..

JM

JM^3
11-06-2005, 09:20:34
it's 30 dollars though...

JM

HelloKitty
11-06-2005, 10:00:21
And where you are is probably damn easy to get again. :p

JM^3
11-06-2005, 10:15:32
well..

yeah

but I am not a big fan of elveling..

JM

JM^3
13-06-2005, 14:38:33
ok

started a new character (although my other one was combat level 18)

Namoth Vishnash

JM

JM^3
13-06-2005, 15:05:35
I am not entirely sure what to be...

right now I am thinking combat medic + TK

JM

HelloKitty
13-06-2005, 20:03:01
You need any cash or anything to get started? I have been prety heavy on EQ2 since all the new stuff has been coming out, but once you and venom get playing I will have more people than the creepy people that hit on me non-stop toplay SWG with.

And once venom gets there I can take you all out and do CL 80 missions that I take solo and you can get exp from that. I am a TKM and Mcarb with some commando and FS mixed in. Get you both up to novice level of your advanced proffs pretty quickly.

As for what to be, depends on what youw ant to be. TKM as your offense is prety weak. TKM is all about not being able to get hit and when you are hit mitigating 70+% of the damage. For damage they are complete ass

Combat medic is nice because of the healing and Damage over time chem wpns, but you have to realize, you will be the healer in the group.

If you stick with TKM look at the other melee trees and see about taking 2 branches of 1 or 2 hand swords for the damage or crowd control.

HelloKitty
13-06-2005, 20:06:02
oh and for both of you, I am based out of Bestine Tatooine, Imperial Faction, Storm Squad Ace pilot.

JM^3
13-06-2005, 20:20:34
I have thought about TKM and Smuggler...

JM
(I like the idea of Combat Medic though..)

JM^3
14-06-2005, 00:11:18
yeah..

I guess the number one thing I want is help leveling...

JM

HelloKitty
14-06-2005, 02:56:01
Ok, well as soon as Venom gets going we will set up a couple evenings and tear hell around Talus or Endor.

HelloKitty
15-06-2005, 02:24:26
Venom is buying it this week and will start this weekend.

I am free after 6PM CST both days. I may be on a little before then but I am committed to babysit from 8-5 both days.

We can hit wookiee world, regular exp, or space depending on what you two want to do.

JM^3
15-06-2005, 05:12:34
I don't currently have Wookie world..

JM

HelloKitty
15-06-2005, 07:20:40
You suck. Shooting wookiees in thier fucking furry freak faces is fun.

JM^3
15-06-2005, 08:31:29
but I was an imperial wookie, I saw no reason to go back home :p

of course.. now that I am a lizard.. I probably should have no compuction punching a few wookies

JM

JM^3
15-06-2005, 18:37:31
btw..

I formatted my main harddrive..

but Galaxies was on my secondary harddrive

I have my computer up and running again, but when I try to run swgclient_r nothing happens (there is some type of error I believe)

you know how to fix this HK?

do I need to reinstall?

JM

HelloKitty
15-06-2005, 20:18:20
Not sure.

Did formatting wipe the registry that SWG was listed under? If so it won't run even if you have the files on a drive.

You can reinstall and that may be the easiest thing to do.

YOu can see if they have just the patcher for download, download that and if that one works scan all files.

Or you cna try to use the tech support ont he forums or live support.

Venom
16-06-2005, 02:49:39
Picked it up tonight. I'll try and get it installed tonight or tomorrow. Where am I supposed to start again?

HelloKitty
16-06-2005, 02:56:30
Start on the server named BRIA the city of Bestine on tatooine.

Mos Eisely is not bad either but doesn't have an imperial recruiter or Imp navy recruiter.

Play the tutorial and make your guy, species does not change gameplay to a huge extent, although Humans and Zabreks are the best choices for eventually making a jedi. Also all races except humans and zabreks get a penelty to faction points earned with the Nazis.

After you are done with the tutorial post your name and when you will be playing and I will try and drop in, get you some cash and equipment, help you get a ship and on your way to learning skills. Then this weekend we can all ge together and I can show you the high worlds or exp or I can buy parts for my Imperial VT cruiser and we can find 2 more people and go to deep space!!!

The cruiser is cool. 1 pilot, 1 ops man, 2 gunners, and one person on repairs.

Venom
16-06-2005, 13:13:39
Aye aye.

King_Ghidra
16-06-2005, 13:17:35
god speed the SS Badass, manned by the overweight psycho, the drunken overweight virgin and captained by the lesbian Hochwasserschutzbauwerk

Venom
16-06-2005, 14:26:52
Feel free to join. Then we can have someone to watch our backsides intently.

King_Ghidra
16-06-2005, 14:48:18
sorry i'm too busy playing my lady elf :o

JM^3
17-06-2005, 23:15:05
3 in unarmed

2 in ranged med

and 1 in med eff

as well as 2 in ranged support

right now

JM

HelloKitty
17-06-2005, 23:34:21
Venom have any idea what type of character he wants to make?

I think venom should go pure useless utility. Master scout, Master ranger, master squad leader. That way he will be completely useless!

JM^3
17-06-2005, 23:43:04
my freind was actually suggesting that I do

master smuggler and master commando

or

master creature handler and master TK

I want to do something unarmed...

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
17-06-2005, 23:57:04
CH is fun.

I have another person I know who may be joining us on some nights. He is a CH as well and just doesn't know anyone on bria.

If you go smuggler/comm you want to add some pistols at least. Smuggler is all about specials, commando has NO SPECIALS AT ALL, they just get AE guns. You need somethign like pistols for the defenses and accuracy.

Venom
18-06-2005, 04:37:10
Yeah. What should I be? I'm so confused at this point I'll probably end up being worthless.

HelloKitty
18-06-2005, 05:00:25
One of the best things about SWG is if you play something and decide you hate part of it you don't have to start all over. In EQ, WOW, etc if you play a character get high level and start to hate it you cannot change. In SWG you just give up the skills you don't like and start training new ones.

What you should do is grab every novice proffession. Try all of them out. When you decide what you like and don't like you can give up the ones you don't like to use the skill points.


Or you can tell me what you think you want to be and I can give some direction.

Remember there are 4 basic poles for combat characters in MMOs but in SWG they have a skill based system , so hereas in most games you have to choos "Fighter" in SWG you can mix and match.

So think of the D&D style games you ahve played, they all have classes but in SWG you can mix several of them.

1- Tanks. Thier job is to get beat on and protect the group while the group does the main damage.

2- Crowd Control. These mainly are to control multiple enemies, be it by knocking them down, rooting them in spot, paralysing them with nerve agents, etc. They keep the group of 6 rancors busy while the group concentrates on one at a time.

3- Healer. Within this you have pure healers then things like combat medics that heal but use bio-weps.

4- Nukers. Damage. Riflemen for example are the top nukers (well if they get the bugs for sniper shot and conceal shot fixed). These do damage and thats pretty much it.

In addition there are 2 catagories that doesn't fit in with the regular scheme.

5- Utility. Squad leaders, Scouts, Rangers all have skills that help the group immensely, but on thier own are weak. A group with a Master squad leader leading them is almost 2 times as effective, a Master squad leader alone is going to get eaten.

6- Augmenting. This would be Smuggler, Bounty hunter, and Commando. These classes alone are worthless, but combined with another profession they become extremely powerful.

Now because of the way the game is set up you can be 2.5 of the above (exccept 1 case for pure melee characters).

So, for example my character is a Master Rifleman/Tesas Kai master. TKM is the top single profession tank besides Jedi and Rifles are the top single damage profession, besides jedi.

To augment this I took half of Commando so that I can use rocket launchers, advanced grenades and explosives and flamethrowers.

Now, am I the best non-jedi tank? No, people who master TK and another tank class are going to be much better than me. Etc.

So you need to consider how specialized you want to be.

Want to be a god of mellee? Triple master TK, Swords, and fencer. Its just now you have no ranged skills at al, but in a melee fight you will beat any non-jedi.

So, what is your playstyle in games you play with other people? Do you like Ranged? Melee? Healing?

How specialized do you want to be? Or do you want to only take a little combat and be a crafter? You can be a dancer/Hairdresser who is a sniper ont he weekends! (that was me in Beta)

There is a character builder that you can play with linked earlier in this thread. Just don't take any Force sensitive or Jedi powers when playing with it.

Venom
18-06-2005, 06:51:18
Alright. I finished the tutorial and am in Bestine on Bria. I'm going to be now. I'll read up on all that tomorrow.

Not sure how much game time I'll get in tomorrow, but I'll check here tomorrow afternoon.

HelloKitty
18-06-2005, 07:18:19
What is your name (make sure to spell it right).

Even if you don't log on I will send you some starting cash and hints.

I will aim to log on about 8PM EST tomorrow night and we can play as long as we want.

Does that sound good with you and Jon? Otherwise we can meet another night.

HelloKitty
18-06-2005, 20:26:23
Hmm, I may not make it tonight. If I am not there Jon can show you some of the basics. I still need your name though.

Venom
19-06-2005, 08:13:13
Ok. I got too drunk to play last night. I'll be on today. My name is Sentrolo and I'll just be wandering around Bestine today, exploring and trying not to die.

Venom
19-06-2005, 17:31:55
Sorry. That's Sentrelo Randera. That's the name.

Venom
19-06-2005, 23:01:12
Couldn't find Jeiean Maaaaar today but I didn't look that hard. I'll be back on about 8pm EST tonight.

JM^3
20-06-2005, 09:48:26
I talked to you for a bit

I was just lost.. and then logged off

JM

Venom
20-06-2005, 13:38:04
I know. I was as lost as you. Wandering around gathering samples for really no damn reason.

And then HK came on, gave me some money and some training, and then got pussy whipped back to baby sitting.

HelloKitty
20-06-2005, 23:29:14
You are right. I should have left the kid unsupervised in the living room. :P

You have your own ship now, if brave fly tot he mining outpost on Dantooine and see if you can get in a high level hunting group. Someone in the group is bound to be able to train your skills as you gain exp.

Venom
21-06-2005, 01:36:11
You guys playing any this week? I won't be around this weekend, but I'll be on a little bit at nights.

JM^3
21-06-2005, 03:05:27
probably a bit..

Jon Miller

JM^3
21-06-2005, 03:06:07
I have been playing a lot less ont he weekends since I discovered paintball

jM

HelloKitty
21-06-2005, 04:09:07
I wil probably be on a bit, but my life is topsy turvy right now.

Venom
21-06-2005, 04:44:45
Paintball is too god damn expensive. Though if you want to buy my old tribal, I'll sell it to you. All it needs is a new hopper and an O-Ring on the tank. Oh, and the tank needs to be pressure tested. It's past it's 3 year date.

I'm wiped. I'm going to bed.

JM^3
21-06-2005, 08:17:19
I have recently spent ~$800 on a new gun and equipment

so yeah, it is expensive...

my gun can fire full auto, and semi-automatic (And burst)

and has an electronic trigger

my hopper is sound activiated

my tank is carbine fiber and is 45 cubic inches

I have two masks.. (each with coatings and other stuff that made them expensive)

and I have other stuff

probably I will play tomorrow

JM
(it is a lot cheaper if you have all your own stuff, and jsut need to buy paint)

Venom
21-06-2005, 13:02:36
Paint's not cheap.

What did you get? An Angel or something?

JM^3
21-06-2005, 18:05:05
nah, angel's are 1.2k base

I got an Ion

paint gets cheaper if you know where to get it from, you can get it for as little as 35 a case if you know where to buy it form

Jon Miller

Venom
21-06-2005, 18:58:11
Ooooh and you're in the know, are you? You sly little bastard.

Still $35 bucks a case and, with a gun like that, I figure you're a back guy (that is if you're playing hyperball or something like that and not in the woods like a twat). Back guys shoot a lot of paint and can burn a case easily in a couple of games.

I used to play on a team, and even with our home field guy hooking us up I'd spend $150 bucks a day playing.

Now, as for Galaxies...stupid question time. What does buff mean? And why does my bind location disappear everytime I leave Mos Eisley?

JM^3
21-06-2005, 19:44:46
buff means buff you up

increase your stats and the like.. (I think)

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
21-06-2005, 21:05:52
Yes buff means increase your stats in some way.


For example doctors can give you stimulants that will buff up your health. Entertainers will give you buffs that make you earn exp faster. A jedi using force speed is buffing his speed stat.


What do you mean your bind location? You mean the place you reappear when you die?

If you do make sure you are insuring your gear and storing clone info.

Venom
21-06-2005, 21:23:55
I stored clone info in Mos Eisley. So whenever I'm there, my bind(reappear location) says Mos Eisley. If I go to Bestine or someplace else it changes to unknown. Is that normal? Is Mos Eisley still my clone location?

Insuring my stuff would probably be a good idea.

JM^3
21-06-2005, 21:32:18
insuing your stuff isn't important until you have good stuff (at the earliest that is when you start an elite class)

bascially you cloan to either the closest location, or your bind location (so closest clone station, or Mos Eisley)

I think that is what it means by unknown

Jon Miller

HelloKitty
21-06-2005, 22:16:28
If you clone at a non-bound location on the higher level planets you run the risk of getting bad cybernetic parts. You may clone to find you have robot legs or arms.

Venom
21-06-2005, 22:21:19
WTF? Robot arms and legs? How would I get rid of those?

HelloKitty
22-06-2005, 00:01:03
You ahve to go to major cities and pay to have them replaced with quality stuff like Luke had. Otherwise you look like a deformed retard.

You can also do quests to get cybernetic retarded looking arms and legs that provide bonuses. I have all the arms but don't use them.

Venom
22-06-2005, 00:32:00
Well god damn. I give myself about 2 more weeks until I lose an arm.

JM^3
22-06-2005, 07:33:50
4 in unarmed, 3 in ranged healing, 1 in healing efficiency, 1 in scout, 3 in ranged combat

JM

Venom
22-06-2005, 13:03:08
Being in a group is 50 times more fun that being solo. I don't know how that person last night got to be a CL7 though.

I'm 3 in rifle, 3 in carbine (which I'll probably drop once the skills start filling up), 3 in unarmed, and only 2 in ranged but I have enough Combat Experience to train for 3 in that as soon as I get around to it.

HelloKitty
22-06-2005, 14:55:12
Did you get a tatooine group or a high level group?

And yes, grouping is much more fun. Before the revamp no one grouped.

Venom
22-06-2005, 15:23:48
Tatooine. I had to take leave of my Imperial duties because Imperial Sand troopers kept killing me (yes, you read that correctly). I think that means I lose the ability to use my ship right? So I joined up with Jon and some other schmo and did a mission. Then I had to go to bed because it was 12:30.

HelloKitty
23-06-2005, 00:32:40
You went on leave right? Thats fine, we wer just on duty since we were going to land at a rebel starport and mass murder some rebs onteh way in.

And you can use your ship even off duty unless you quit the empirial navy alltogether.

HelloKitty
23-06-2005, 00:33:58
Oh, and tatooine has had a weird bug they just fied, the imperial troops were showing up as rebel troops in some towns, and the factions were messed up. The sand troopers attackign you was a bug.

Venom
23-06-2005, 03:58:14
Mother fucking bugs.

Yeah, I'm only on leave. Until I level up some more.

Venom
23-06-2005, 13:44:12
Well, I'm CL 7 now but I'm still a pussy. I should probably have been an architect.

HelloKitty
23-06-2005, 19:16:51
Well you can always take up hairdressing in your spare time!

Sorry I haven't been on this week. The next EQ2 mini-expansion comes out on Tuesday and have been helping the guild get everyone done with Bloodlines and the pre-order instance.

Venom
23-06-2005, 21:33:22
I knew you'd abandon me when the time came! Whore!