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protein
23-03-2005, 00:05:28
Today Diane had a mishap at work and got a tiny glass splinter in her finger, as she works in a bio lab we walked to a&e, which is about five minutes away, to get it checked out.

After two seemingly endless hours in the waiting room surrounded by Reading's finest pikeys, she was seen by an Indian doctor (who could barely speak undestandable english) who proceeded to cut her finger wide open before saying that he couldn't find the splinter.

A long and painful hour later she had an x-ray that confirmed the splinter was indeed still in her finger just not where the doctor made the enourmous incision.

Yet another hour and another x-ray later, a Russian orthopedic surgeon (also having great difficulty with English) cut the finger open some more leaving a pretty gaping wound. No splinter found.

Yet another fucking hour later someone told us (in broken english) we should wait upstairs for another surgeon because we couldn't wait in a&e. So we went upstairs and ended up in a smelly room full of half concious dying old women.

Diane was shown a bed next to a women sho was mumbling and shouting "where am I? What time is it?!!" The African nurse pulled back the bed covers, said "hop in" and said that she would be sleeping there tonight in preparation for an operation tomorrow.

Diane's face was pretty pale when faced with the prospect of staying with all the half dead moaning zombies in a bed five minutes from her own just because of a tiny little splinter.

It was all apparently because the second doctor's english is so bad that she got admitted. They eventually sent us home six hours after we arrived, now she has a gaping wound that needs stitching and a glass splinter in her finger.

*sigh

protein
23-03-2005, 00:06:27
:bash:

alsieboo
23-03-2005, 00:07:47
Hospitals do suck, you'd probably have been better off trying to get it out yourself. Not something I'd advise though. Obviously.

BigGameHunter
23-03-2005, 00:08:49
Isn't this how "28 Days Later" started?

No offense, but I'd consider maybe cutting Diane's head off as soon as possible.

alsieboo
23-03-2005, 00:12:16
I thought 28 days later was the one with Sandra Bulock in rehab

protein
23-03-2005, 00:16:21
I could tell one of the doctors she has a splinter in her neck and they will cut her head off for me.

BigGameHunter
23-03-2005, 00:18:38
Sounds like it...good thing you don't have a boil on your nuts.

Oerdin
23-03-2005, 00:39:22
Sucks man. Over here we have plenty of foreign born doctors but if they don't speak English then they can't practice medicine. We send those with speech impediments to the crappy states which no one wants to live in. ;)

MOBIUS
23-03-2005, 00:45:40
Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama...?:cute:

Oerdin
23-03-2005, 01:15:49
Those are great places to start. After being exiled there the new comers will do everything in their power to learn English so they can get a job in the civilized world. ;)

Beta1
23-03-2005, 09:27:00
Originally posted by protein
Yet another fucking hour later someone told us (in broken english) we should wait upstairs for another surgeon because we couldn't wait in a&e. So we went upstairs and ended up in a smelly room full of half concious dying old women

welcome to government health targets.

You hit four hours therefore you couldnt stay in A&E or they fail the target. So you get moved somewhere else. Not treated, moved.

And you wonder why the NHS staff are fed up.

My better half works at great ormond street. This year they hit their target of "X" operations completed three months before the end of the year. Result - they get the funding for the X operations but no more. So they have to shut wards and turn away non-essential operations. And the hospital ends up in the red for the year. This at what is meant to be a world class specialist childrens hospital.

When the revolution comes can I get to shoot the health secretary? Assuming the home secretary doesnt order me to be locked up without trial for suggesting that.

DaShi
23-03-2005, 09:28:44
Glass cuts. :nervous:

Gary
23-03-2005, 09:29:40
Isn't even one opening up of the finger and failing to find anything a case of malpractice ? I'd have thought you could bring a complaint, at least twice over, if you could be bothered.

Funko
23-03-2005, 09:33:53
This concept that targets improve performance is ludicrous.

Saw Michael 'Friendly Face of Satan' Howard on TV yesterday explaining how the Tories plan for combatting this superbug was "well documented" apparently it consists of "better information for patients". Woo! bet the superbug is shitting it's pants.

protein
23-03-2005, 09:42:39
There's information all over the hospital about mrsa. It seemed pretty clean too. If mr "darkies out" Howard got in now the NHS would really be fucked.

Anyway, Diane has had her surgery, came back and now she has to go back at 1pm for another operation. They wanted her to sit with the delirious old zombiefied stroke victim women until then but, well, it's not very nice is it?

King_Ghidra
23-03-2005, 10:27:15
that's a shitty experience all round, how depressing

give diane a 'get well soon' from me, or a mr man plaster or whatever

Gary
23-03-2005, 11:12:16
Somewhat ironic that one can bemoan the lack of English spoken in one post, and yet lampoon Mr "darkies out" Howard in another :)

If the NHS paid a decent wage then the jobs would be filled by local folk, and the potential immigrants could apply their skills in their own country where they're needed, rather than have the a rich western country immorally nick the skill base.

Funko
23-03-2005, 11:14:43
Yeah, and the Tories somehow plan to cut taxes AND pay for that! As for efficiency savings, the NHS is already one of the most efficient organisations around, there's no money to save there.

Getting rid of immigrant workers without providing a solution is just stupid.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-03-2005, 11:20:01
Originally posted by Funko
Yeah, and the Tories somehow plan to cut taxes AND pay for that! As for efficiency savings, the NHS is already one of the most efficient organisations around, there's no money to save there.

Getting rid of immigrant workers without providing a solution is just stupid.

Are you being serious? The NHS is incredibly inefficient - this comes from a ward manager who says literally milions are wasted on red tape and paying managers / temps when they run our of permanent staff.

Funko
23-03-2005, 11:24:37
The lack of staff and temps thing is a real problem - across the civil service - but in terms of management spend as a proportion of budget it was just about as efficient as it could be, more efficient than private companies which is almost unheard of for a public body.

The study I read about that was a few of years ago though, it's possible that all this target crap has introduced loads more red tape since then though.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-03-2005, 11:31:27
Yep, that's what I'm on about....

Read a review about the police force the other day - Trained officers (350,000 to train them up) spend most of their time (~70%) doing papaer work. That's because the Force can't employ clerical staff because they are paid per number of trained officers they produce. Crazy.

Funko
23-03-2005, 11:36:43
I know. TVP are introducing hand held PCs for officers so they can do 'paper'work on the move without having to return to base.

Nills Lagerbaak
23-03-2005, 11:44:26
I know! I think they are one of our customers. I bet they'll be using the Casio IT-500s and put it this way this "wireless" working is only in testing.......

I see another waste of money on the cards! (@3,000 for one such unit)

Funko
23-03-2005, 11:54:20
Yeah, still trialling, and they are expensive because of all the extra security, but apparently they are already spending something ridiculous like 50% more of their time out on the street already, arrests are up because they can do background/DVLA checks more quickly and radio control room staff are freed up to provide proper assistance to officers rather than relaying results of checks etc.

So if that means 2 of those at 3000 is worth one policeman (@25000) a year patrolling and not only that but they are more effective then that 3000 is money really well spent, in fact it's a bargain.

protein
23-03-2005, 12:24:14
Originally posted by Gary
Somewhat ironic that one can bemoan the lack of English spoken in one post, and yet lampoon Mr "darkies out" Howard in another :)

Not ironic at all. I thought it was fairly annoying that neither of us understood what the doctor was saying. "burpinder but" it a very confusing command but apparently means "get on the bed". There's nothing racist about not understanding what someone is saying.

Yours Truly,

Marjorie Dawes
Fat Fighters

MDA
23-03-2005, 12:29:01
Glass shards can be really hard to locate and remove, but that's ridiculous. :(

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-03-2005, 12:30:42
Ah, the pleasures of new public management - new, huge, stinking piles of crap.

Just why is the british electorate so hell-bent on keeping health care in the state of a planned economy a la GOSPLAN 1982?

Funko
23-03-2005, 12:33:07
I've got no idea, I'd be happy to spend what's required to bring it up to scratch - including as Gary said spending enough money to train and pay locals enough to get the numbers of doctors and nurses we need.

People in general aren't prepared for that kind of tax hike though.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
23-03-2005, 12:41:29
What I mean is why can't you move from a state planned service to an insurance system, where at least the actual services are privatised?

Funko
23-03-2005, 12:59:00
Well, assuming you mean more like the French model than the American model... we are (I think) nervous about it in case it potentially leads to an end to the "free healthcare for all" philosophy - I'd certainly be worried about aiming for something like the French model and ending up with the American situation.

Plus, if you look at a lot of the much better European models they spend a more (as GDP percentage) than we do. We're about 7% GDP and the European average is about 9% (France and Germany are higher still). That's an extra 28% on the budget... would changing to an insurance system make much difference without the extra funding?

As things are progressing more and more healthcare functions are being privatised anyway.

Funko
23-03-2005, 13:02:29
Spending is increasing slowly but surely though... apparently the gov't were looking to increase spend to EU average by 2008, maybe that's where all the extra red tape came in. :)

It is a bit of a beast the NHS, not sure what's the best plan for it but changing the NHS to some other form is almost certainly an election losing policy as you suggested.

Other systems seem quite complicated to explain in a soundbyte, modern politics huh!

Beta1
23-03-2005, 14:27:17
Originally posted by protein
There's information all over the hospital about mrsa. It seemed pretty clean too..

I think MRSA contamination could be reduced by a significant amount fairly easily. Go back to the 1950s style - not in the way the current soundbites are thinking (matrons and cleanliness) - reduce the number of people wandering around them. The hospitals i have been in in the last few years seem to let any friend or relation wander around the wards at will. Bring back the visiting hours and limit the number of people visiting. Everyone on the ward - patients or staff - can be in someway sanitised by good cleaning practise. The visitors realistically cant. Its no good having the doctors and nurses being clean if visitors bring stuff onto the ward, touch the patients and then the surfaces etc.

(also if casualty/holby city is to be belived the visitors are only there to assault the staff/patients or steal the drugs :lol:)

MOBIUS
23-03-2005, 14:30:55
I agree, the times I've been to hospitals you get the feeling you could go pretty much anywhere with ease...

Gary
23-03-2005, 14:40:46
I used to hate visiting hours. Never seemed to coincide with when I was free to visit. And as a patient, the knowing that you'd only see folk in that period was pretty depressing too.

You just need to boil visitors for 30 minutes as they arrive, then they'll be sterile and can go anywhere.

zmama
23-03-2005, 15:34:01
Vasectomies for all!

Beta1
23-03-2005, 15:43:12
Originally posted by Gary
I used to hate visiting hours. Never seemed to coincide with when I was free to visit. And as a patient, the knowing that you'd only see folk in that period was pretty depressing too.

You just need to boil visitors for 30 minutes as they arrive, then they'll be sterile and can go anywhere.

brilliant solution, gamma irradiantion and giant autoclaves at the entrance to every ward.

MoSe
23-03-2005, 16:05:05
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
milions are wasted on red tape

Can't you just PAINT all those red crosses on ambulances and whatnot?????