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Lazarus and the Gimp
17-02-2005, 17:11:07
Lovely. I had to deliver a briefing to a team of 30 today, about new technology. Unfortunately it was a team of battle-hardened cynics, who used the (greatly extended) Q&A session to air their disgust at their employment. One little shit actually said I was wasting his time, to my face, while his manager looked embarrassed and tried to hide at the back.

Fab. The cruellest part is the need to remain professional and upbeat, rather than take a firm grasp of his hair and smack his face into his desk. That's the part that bugs me.

Ah well. I'll retire in about 25 years.

paiktis22
17-02-2005, 17:14:32
Always look on the bright side of life
param :shoot: param :shoot: param :shoot: param :shoot:

protein
17-02-2005, 17:15:58
That's what I hate about being employed. You have to let people talk to you in a way that would earn them a swift elbow to the throat in real life.

paiktis22
17-02-2005, 17:17:21
You could always meet them in a bar or someplace where the job rules don't apply. There you can smack them.

Funkodrom
17-02-2005, 17:18:44
I don't, didn't and wouldn't let people talk to me in a manner at work I wouldn't accept outside it.

I don't mind being told off if I've done something wrong but if something's totally unjust I won't take it.

paiktis22
17-02-2005, 17:20:27
post aborted. in unison with previous post.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-02-2005, 17:22:55
Originally posted by Funkodrom
I don't, didn't and wouldn't let people talk to me in a manner at work I wouldn't accept outside it.

I don't mind being told off if I've done something wrong but if something's totally unjust I won't take it.

Depends on your job. My background is customer service/sales, and sometimes it's just par for the course. Ever wondered why I have so much anger to spare?

Beta1
17-02-2005, 17:24:01
ditto, if they want proffesionalism from you they owe it to you to act the same way.

On the other hand you could have put on your best school teacher voice, told them its their own time they were wasting and made the presentation go on an extra 2 hours just to piss them off.

Tizzy
17-02-2005, 17:24:53
I rekcon everyone in a customer service type role has to be a bit psychotic.
And if you're not to start with you get that way fast.

protein
17-02-2005, 17:25:19
I've always ended up quitting when people talk to me like that.

Funkodrom
17-02-2005, 17:25:44
Yeah, there's no way I'd do a customer service/sales job. It'd drive me insane. :)

As a shelf stacker I used to get customers trying to complain about stuff but they were generally letting off steam about the shop not me I'd generally just agree with them, they normally had a point, and they were fine.

Funkodrom
17-02-2005, 17:27:42
Originally posted by protein
I've always ended up quitting when people talk to me like that.

:beer:

paiktis22
17-02-2005, 17:32:13
It happened to me once or twice. Once I said nothing, second time I broke their balls liberally (responded in kind x2) but I didn't quit and wasn't fired.

Funkodrom
17-02-2005, 17:33:18
I would probably say my piece and make them fire me if they thought they could justify it at a tribunal.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-02-2005, 17:34:11
Originally posted by Beta1
On the other hand you could have put on your best school teacher voice, told them its their own time they were wasting and made the presentation go on an extra 2 hours just to piss them off.

And spent the next few days dealing with the grievance procedures raised against me by the line manager involved. You just can't do that in the corporate workplace.

paiktis22
17-02-2005, 17:34:37
Well of course if that's happening on a regular basis then it's better to tell them to kiss your ass. But I think with the right attitude you can for the majority of cases make them not do it, being assholes to you I mean.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-02-2005, 17:41:05
You certainly can, but you have to go through the correct channels. Which is far less satisfying.

Provost Harrison
17-02-2005, 17:48:28
Originally posted by protein
That's what I hate about being employed. You have to let people talk to you in a way that would earn them a swift elbow to the throat in real life.

Oh I know, some of the more 'crawling' people who I work with like to demonstrate their authority by constantly finding new things to be pedantic about and grin at managers as to how efficient they are, all the while the manager is thinking 'tosser' :lol: One of them did one of these for leaving paperwork on a desk over a teabreak. I was close to the point of just sticking my fingers in my ears and singing 'la la la la' :lol:

Beta1
17-02-2005, 17:59:53
^ one of the reasons you will never find me in an office.

MDA
17-02-2005, 18:08:08
"Well, well look. I already told you, I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills. I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"

Gary
17-02-2005, 18:28:21
Seems to me that if the staff are like that, then it's the company that has major problems.

OK you got caught in the firing line. Unfair. But the real problem isn't with the staff who seem to have had enough, but with the company management who've let the situation get like that.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-02-2005, 19:59:54
I can only partially agree with that. The management has been weak, but there are also too many people who think the world owes them a living and reject any change.

sleeping_satsuma
17-02-2005, 20:03:09
isnt part of change management about listening to the rude twats and finding why they dont want change? You might find they have very genuine concerns and that the surface rudeness is just venting

Oerdin
17-02-2005, 20:03:55
This is why I want to eventually be self employed. Some ass hole mouths off then he's fired. I don't have to take it.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-02-2005, 20:25:37
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
isnt part of change management about listening to the rude twats and finding why they dont want change? You might find they have very genuine concerns and that the surface rudeness is just venting

I know these people. Yes- there are some genuine concerns. Then again, there are some genuine twats.

Provost Harrison
17-02-2005, 20:26:21
Never heard of employment law Oerdin? ;)

sleeping_satsuma
17-02-2005, 21:04:15
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I know these people. Yes- there are some genuine concerns. Then again, there are some genuine twats.

well you get them in all walks of life, just laugh off their twattishness, and make a secret voodoo doll of them later at home

Funkodrom
17-02-2005, 21:06:28
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Never heard of employment law Oerdin? ;)

He lives in the US, depending on the state he may not have any employee protection. It's a rough place!

zmama
17-02-2005, 21:13:12
Yup...you can get fired just because in many places

Funkodrom
17-02-2005, 21:25:20
Scary.

Provost Harrison
17-02-2005, 21:27:02
Not very good is it?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-02-2005, 22:04:00
Originally posted by zmama
Yup...you can get fired just because in many places

Same here.

Oerdin
17-02-2005, 23:26:23
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Never heard of employment law Oerdin? ;)

Yes, and where I live the law says "at will employment" the boss doesn't need a reason to fire you. Maybe he thinks you're funny looking and he doesn't like your shoes. It really doesn't matter since no reason is required.

The sole exception is discrimination against protected groups (age, sex, race, religion, etc) but the burden is on them to prove the employer has commited this crime.

sleeping_satsuma
18-02-2005, 00:20:11
nice to see you're an ethical man oerdin :rolleyes: :lol:

Oerdin
18-02-2005, 03:35:30
I am ethical and it follows all laws. On the upside we don't have gay twats like the one who spoke ill to Laz because everyone is to in fear of their jobs. They put extra effort into being professional.

Asher
18-02-2005, 05:34:05
I get to do a presentation on Monday infront of 400-500 people that comprise the IBM Compiler group in the amphitheatre.

Nothing big, it'll be just a few minutes when I talk about the compiler servicability. I'm forgoing any PowerPoint yawnfests, as well.

Still kinda intimidating, considering the room will be full of people with PhDs, some IBM Fellows, and a few levels of management. :(

MoSe
18-02-2005, 12:29:02
reading this thread just wasted 1/2 hour of my time :rolleyes:

Tizzy
18-02-2005, 12:30:16
I warned you not to read any threads started by CG posters

MDA
18-02-2005, 14:30:37
Originally posted by zmama
Yup...you can get fired just because in many places

When I worked in Pennsylvania, a PA Bureau of Labor Standards guy gave us a "management" seminar, and told us we didn't have to provide ANY reason for firing someone in that state.

Its definitely scary.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
18-02-2005, 14:36:53
Damn commie.

Funkodrom
18-02-2005, 14:40:21
It's good for productivity for employees to be scared of losing their job at any moment.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
18-02-2005, 14:43:08
Why should you need to justify ending an employment contract? And what should happen if you fail to do so?

Gary
18-02-2005, 16:07:22
Actually, getting stressed is probably bad for productivity. Look at me, the company I work for is threatening to get rid of folk, and they admit they don't even need to do so. Just a big laugh I think, to see if they can spur the other players in the industry to do the same.

Gary
18-02-2005, 16:10:52
Why should you need to justify ending an employment contract?

Because offering employment is the acceptance of a moral responsibility. For another person to have some stability in their life they need to know that their livelihood is secure, barring any unacceptable behaviour, or company crisis.

And what should happen if you fail to do so?

You should be strung up at he nearest crossroads as an example to all.

Funkodrom
18-02-2005, 16:19:44
Originally posted by Gary
Actually, getting stressed is probably bad for productivity. Look at me, the company I work for is threatening to get rid of folk, and they admit they don't even need to do so. Just a big laugh I think, to see if they can spur the other players in the industry to do the same.

Yeah... that was my point. I was being sarcastic or ironic or something.

MoSe
18-02-2005, 16:20:50
Something.
I think you were being something.

Funkodrom
18-02-2005, 16:21:48
At least I don't have a cartoon wank as an avatar! :p

MoSe
18-02-2005, 16:22:53
don't you????

King_Ghidra
18-02-2005, 16:23:17
:lol:

MoSe
18-02-2005, 16:24:41
:p

besides, mine is a cartoon fistassrape, actually :cute:

zmama
18-02-2005, 16:24:49
heeeheeeheee

Gary
18-02-2005, 16:44:25
:D :D :D

fp
18-02-2005, 19:11:42
Originally posted by MoSe
don't you????

Game, set and match to the Italian guy! :lol:

MDA
18-02-2005, 20:01:50
:lol:

Lurker
18-02-2005, 20:31:28
Originally posted by MoSe
don't you????

:lol: Oh seriously :lol: