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paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:28:21
When you put on new tyres on your car it is good to do Eythygrammissi. Maybe in english it is "even tyres"??? Something like that. Try to understand please.
Now in order to do an "even tyres" (so the wheel is in order/ in straight line with the wheels) does i tmatter if the wheels are not pumped up with air at the exact pressure levels indicated in the car's handbook?
Please this is very important and has been buuuuuuugging me.

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:30:10
BGH I see you here. Please give me an answer and assuage my mind.

I can either think about that or my randez vous with the dentist. I prefer to think about the tyres.

Got it. In english it is "alignement" (of the tyres).

miester gandertak
16-02-2005, 18:32:25
are you "outlining" the tyre?
with pieces of lead?

does not matter if they are pumped up.

Lurker
16-02-2005, 18:35:33
I'm pretty sure the air pressure in the tires won't affect an alignment as long as they're reasonably inflated.

Lurker
16-02-2005, 18:36:17
Same answer if what you're talking about is balancing the tires.

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:36:21
No not with pieces of lead.
When you put on new tyres on your car, after you put them on you do (or it is good to do) an "alignement" of the tyres with the wheel of the car. (oh crap I put wheels when I wanted to say tyres).
Anyway, they put the car on some platform lift it up and with a computer they "align" the driving wheel with the tyres. My question is if it matters if the tyres are not pumped up with air at the pressure levels indicated in the handbook. Does it matter if they are more or less pumped up than the pressure levels indicated? Probably not. Just asking.

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:37:16
Originally posted by Lurker
I'm pretty sure the air pressure in the tires won't affect an alignment as long as they're reasonably inflated.

aaah ok thanks. and now does it matter if I deflate them a little bit? Back to the pressure levels indicated in the car's handbook? Or will this screw up the alignement?

miester gandertak
16-02-2005, 18:37:47
no and yes

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:38:29
you're joking with my pain :p

Vincent
16-02-2005, 18:38:55
Auswuchten!

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:39:33
No no, if germans come in and start speaking austrian this thread will lead nowhere

Lurker whenever you feel like coming out of your box.... thanks :)

Lurker
16-02-2005, 18:41:57
You should certainly be able to deflate them to the proper pressure. That's not going to affect the alignment.

BigGameHunter
16-02-2005, 18:42:44
OK, terminology:
Wheels are the rims, tires are the rubber.
When a vehicles driving system (axles, etc.) are in need of an alignment, it is done with the tires/rims intact and inflated. It is a two-part proposition: the tires/rims must be "mounted and balanced" which is a rather sexual way of saying installed and weight added to make sure they spin true.
The vehicle alignment and the mount and balance are a symbiotic relationship--that is, an alignment is not much good without good mounting and balancing and vice versa. You know your car is out of alignment if it pulls on a flat, straight roadway with your hands off the steering wheel (please don't do this in inappropriate places!) and/or your steering wheel is not true center (and your vehicle will generally pull in the direction that it is off center to).
I'm not sure if full, factory specified inflation is required for a proper mount/balance/alignment, but I'm assuming it probably is.

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:43:11
Originally posted by Lurker
You should certainly be able to deflate them to the proper pressure. That's not going to affect the alignment.

Ok. Thanks a lot. May you always find tasty things in garbage cans may it never rain and may the weather be always nice and sweet around your carton box :)

BigGameHunter
16-02-2005, 18:45:30
Also, you should have your tires rotated (positions switched, usually in a cross pattern) every few thousand miles, in order to ensure even tread wear. If your tires are wearing out unevenly, it means you have a poor alignment/mount/balance.
Your manual should show the rotation pattern...it may vary from model to model.
There are also simple, cheap guages (similar to tire pressure guages) you can buy to show you if your tread is worn down too far.
Poor mounting and low tread can equal dangerous performance and driveability, as well as decreased fuel efficiency.

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:46:55
Originally posted by BigGameHunter

I'm not sure if full, factory specified inflation is required for a proper mount/balance/alignment, but I'm assuming it probably is.

Lurker says it doesn't matter. It probably doesn't but I did tell the working class lad that I think the tyres should be inflated according to levels specified in the car's handbook but he said he doesn't care about the handbook and that he knows those tyres and what should be done. Now I was just out of a meeting with the dentist and didn't feel I could pressure him on that point. I was in a very fragile state.
Well let's hope for the best. What can we do.

Vincent
16-02-2005, 18:47:04
http://www.westrup-gbr.de/Auswuchten/auswuchten.html

BigGameHunter
16-02-2005, 18:48:36
Overinflating your tires is not good for them and leaves you more prone to blow outs as well.

Lurker
16-02-2005, 18:48:44
:lol: That's a useful link.

zmama
16-02-2005, 18:49:03
ROTATE!

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:49:26
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
Overinflating your tires is not good for them and leaves you more prone to blow outs as well.

I will check them out in a gas station. I think they might be a little more inflated than they must.

BigGameHunter
16-02-2005, 18:49:41
You'd certainly want the tires to be properly inflated in order to mount and balance them properly.

paiktis22
16-02-2005, 18:51:08
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
You'd certainly want the tires to be properly inflated in order to mount and balance them properly.

They were properly inflated but I don't know wether they were a little more inflated than what the handbook said.... damn that's what you get when your psyche is bruised by dentist work.

BigGameHunter
16-02-2005, 18:52:40
http://www.discounttire.com/dtc/brochure/info/tireBalance.jsp

Didn't have time to read it all, but seems informative.

Just road test your car...
Did you have it aligned, or just mounted and balanced or both?

Lurker
16-02-2005, 18:54:30
I've been assuming he's not talking about significant changes. Something like he's got the tires inflated at 36 psi and wants to reduce it to 32. The funny thing about tires is that car manufactures and tire manufactureres often don't agree on the proper tire pressure. The car manufacturers often designate a pressure that's designed for riding comfort, but doesn't maximize the life of the tire, while the tire manufacturers often call for pressure that is intended to do just that.

Vincent
16-02-2005, 18:57:01
Wucht meinen aus!

BigGameHunter
16-02-2005, 18:59:20
It will be a cold day in hell when I believe car people can find their assholes with a funnel and a flashlight. I was just at the dealership for the second half day while they "chased down some codes" that were theoretically based on recalls. Didn't cost me a dime (and I did my taxes while I waited!) but I have reservations about lots of tinkering that may or may not be needed in a two year old car.
Those dealers just go nuts when they can warranty charge the manufacturer for work, since they figure you don't care.
As long as it doesn't get more screwed up and they installed new parts properly, I guess I come out ahead.

Lurker
16-02-2005, 19:01:44
That final caveat can be a killer.

BigGameHunter
16-02-2005, 19:04:48
Don't remind me...wouldn't it be ironic if my tax return went toward auto repairs....

Lurker
16-02-2005, 19:08:35
Let's hope not. Booze and video games would be much better.

The Mad Monk
16-02-2005, 21:28:33
What's a reasonable price on cap, plugs, and wires on a Dodge Dakota 350 V8?

I'd do it myself, but it's been strongly recommended to pay professionals to change the plugs the first time around (something about the factory installation being done by gorillas with impact wrenches).

Oerdin
16-02-2005, 21:48:16
Tires should be bought in pairs so that they aren't worn to different levels plus they should be inflated to manufacture's specs.

The Mad Monk
16-02-2005, 21:59:40
Nah, Tires should be bought in sets of four so you don't get lazy or forgetful and leave one pair on longer than you should and end up with a blowout or skid on a mountain road or whatever.

Oerdin
16-02-2005, 22:02:26
In four is best but at least in pairs. Also every tire has a wear line and it's hard to not notice when your tires are bald. ;)

Provost Harrison
16-02-2005, 22:12:04
I have replaced the two at the front recently but the two at the back were fine, no need for replacement whatsoever so it would have been silly to replace the lot...

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-02-2005, 08:57:49
Originally posted by Vincent
Auswuchten!

Irgendwie bin ich mir nicht sicher, ob er jetzt ein Auswuchten oder eine Spureinstellung braucht... ich tippe eher auf einen verspurten Griechen.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-02-2005, 08:59:26
http://www.mgfcar.de/tracking/mgf_front.htm

Says that your Reifendrücke should be richtig!!!

Vincent
17-02-2005, 18:56:51
Ventilkappen ersetzen!

paiktis22
17-02-2005, 19:13:35
You got to say thank god the allies won.