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RedFred
30-01-2005, 23:46:24
Is silver bad for you? There is this good Indian bakery I go to and they have this odd idea that you can eat silver.

zmama
30-01-2005, 23:57:13
One of my friends swears that a colloidal silver solution cures everything. I think its a load of horse manure...but the silver hasn't seemed to hurt him, yet.

This place has it advertised

http://www.goldleafcompany.com/goldleaf.html

sleeping_satsuma
30-01-2005, 23:59:32
yeah you can eat silver and gold

gold is very good for you in fact- a lot of specialist foods have gold leaf (and they put it in Goldschlager which is lush)

just don't eat lead :rolleyes:

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:03:45
If I remember correctly, gold is one of the least reactive elements out there. So it just goes straight through, unless you, like, eat a big nugget or something.

SP

protein
31-01-2005, 00:05:52
Yeah, gold is practically inert. It has no effect on you.

Provost Harrison
31-01-2005, 00:05:58
SP is correct, Gold will just pass straight through as it went in - completely indigestible, yet harmless...

Silver is more reactive and you could absorb small quantities so I probably wouldn't advise it's ingestion. And as for lead, highly toxic if absorbed by the body.

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:14:17
Unless you're fighting vampires or werewolves, then definitely eat some silver.

SP

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:18:22
stuffs i finded:

Gold is an effective medicine for controlling some types of arthritis and related diseases. In some people, it helps relieve joint pain and stiffness, reduce swelling and bone damage, and reduce the chance of joint deformity and disability.

To those who use minerals, metals and crystals for healing Gold symbolizes the purity of spirit and they attribute the power of cell regeneration, energy conductivity, communication transmission and energy purification to the metal. According to their belief system, Gold spurs the regeneration of neurotransmitters in both lobes of the brain and creates a balance of brain function between creative and logical thought. It also benefits the nerves with its ability to improve the flow of information through the body. In the world of spiritual healing, Gold has the emotional power to ease tension, feelings of inferiority, an anger as well as encouraging the realization of one’s potential and bringing comfort.

Healing uses for Gold based on the beliefs of the New Age include the treatment of blood, skin, neurological and heart disorders. They believe Gold to be an energy generator and remover of blockages with the power to strengthen, amplify and conduct energy in the body for the treatment of autism, dyslexia, epilepsy and scoliosis.

While the 14 Karat gold filled jewelry is not solid gold, the gold in the gold filled wire can still have an energetic impact. Gold can balance energy fields, and is beneficial for opening and balancing the third eye and crown chakras. It can also balance the heart chakra. It can remove negative energy from the chakras and bring in the positive from the stones it is with. It has been used to bring wealth, happiness and good feelings. Gold is a mineral of spirituality, understanding, and attunement to nature. It attracts positive energy and is a great healing mineral

GOLD


Gold has special power when used in meditations and visualisations. Itīs the

The saints and angels in Medieval sacred paintings have a golden circle above their head as a symbol of perfection, saintly virtues and an ultimate connection with God.

Gold is also the highest, final colour in the alchemical transformational sequence (black - white - red - gold).

Gold visualisation helps fight against depression and apathy, gives an abundance of optimism, feelings of happiness, prosperity and faith. Create a gold mental shield around your body when you feel threatened by someone and need special protection together with strong self-confidence.

Gold, silver jewels and objects have similar qualities, but a weaker effect than visualisations and meditations.

Provost Harrison
31-01-2005, 00:26:52
See s_s, we're going back down that road again with this stuff...this is all complete pseudoscience...

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:27:26
What a load of hooey.

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:31:50
I didnt say I believed it all, I said I found it. I think gold is good for you though- all things in moderation

RedFred
31-01-2005, 00:33:46
Yeah you wouldn't want to go on a serious gold binge.

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:34:45
Especially now that the street price is so high.

protein
31-01-2005, 00:36:24
oh god.

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:38:54
you need trace elements of all elements in the right quantities, gold is one of them

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:39:24
I'm a bit tipsy so that didnt come out right but you get the jist

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:41:04
It's a gateway element. Once they've got you on the gold, your doomed to a life of nothing but sodium, radium, plutonium...

SP

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:42:05
Why? Gold is biologically inert.

I also defy you to find a reason to ingest argon...

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:43:09
There's a great reason to ingest helium, and I think we all know what that is.

SP

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:46:21
because something is inert it has no value?

Its used in medical treatments- the arthritis one for instance.

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:47:03
"I live for my dreams, and a pocketful of gold."

What did you think Led Zeppelin was singing about, D&D? They're fucking stoners.

SP

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:47:57
That wasn't as funny as it would have been if we were talking about granite.

SP

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:49:02
The Gold Rush isn't just a historical event.

SP

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:49:05
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
because something is inert it has no value?

Given that this means it does not react with anything in your body, yes.

Its used in medical treatments- the arthritis one for instance.

By whom?

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:49:48
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
The Gold Rush isn't just a historical event.

SP

:lol:

You're killing me.

RedFred
31-01-2005, 00:50:31
:lol:

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:50:38
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
Given that this means it does not react with anything in your body, yes.



By whom?

people

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:51:17
Good answer...

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:51:34
My grandfather was hooked on gold. One night he got high and they caught him licking the goblet at church. They thought he was after they wine, until he started going, "Aggggggggggggaggggggggggagggggg!"

SP

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:51:51
do your own frickin research, what am I your webmonkey?

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:52:16
SDhouldn't that be Auuuuuuuuauuuuuuuauuuuuuu?

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:52:58
Fuck!

SP

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 00:53:05
oh a periodic table joke

you guys must get laid soooooo much!

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:55:23
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
[B]do your own frickin research, what am I your webmonkey

:clueless:

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:55:48
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
Fuck!

SP

Busted.

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:56:10
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
oh a periodic table joke

you guys must get laid soooooo much!

5 times today, actually...

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:56:22
My grandfather was hooked on gold. One night he ODed, and to this day his ghost haunts my watch. If you listen carefully, every hour on the hour, you can hear the faint sound of granddad moaning, "Auuuuuuuuuuuauuuuuuuauuuuuuuuuu!"

SP

Provost Harrison
31-01-2005, 00:56:36
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
you need trace elements of all elements in the right quantities, gold is one of them

No it isn't. Lots of elements have biological functions: iodine, iron, magnesium, molybdenum, etc, etc, but gold isn't one of them. Would you apply the same logic to thallium or mercury, both of which are highly toxic?

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 00:57:41
I'd accept that you need trace amounts of thallium more easily than that you need trace amounts of gold...

HelloKitty
31-01-2005, 00:57:44
It made me laugh.

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 00:58:12
Exotic as it sounds, gold is indeed one of the standard treatments for rheumatoid arthritis, and has been used for years. In fact many experts consider gold to be among the most effective drugs for reducing the inflammation in the joints and so decreasing the usual symptoms of pain, swelling and stiffness. Sometimes gold is also used to treat other rheumatic diseases, such as the arthritis associated with psoriasis.

Injections or tablets

Of course, gold isn't used in its pure metallic form but as a compound, given as injections or taken as tablets.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/gold_treatment.shtml

SP

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:01:04
Sounds like the gold is being used as a carrier for the rest of the compound...

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:01:32
cheers SP

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:01:46
Possibly because it would be too reactive on its own?

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:02:11
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
Sounds like the gold is being used as a carrier for the rest of the compound...

naturally- but according to you they may as well use ground hedgehog spikes

Immortal Wombat
31-01-2005, 01:03:34
Gold can cause a variety of side effects which may mean that treatment has to be stopped. These include problems with the blood, kidney, or skin. Regular checks are usually made on blood and urine, and to look out for any sign of a rash. Mouth ulcers, altered taste, sore throat, fever, bruising, bleeding and breathlessness are all common side effects.

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:04:47
oh but I thought it just passed straight through? Being so inert and all.

Scientists make me laugh

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:06:08
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
naturally- but according to you they may as well use ground hedgehog spikes

Saying that you need gold in your body because they use a gold compound to deliver drugs effectively is like saying that you need iron in your body because syringes have steel tips.

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:09:13
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
oh but I thought it just passed straight through? Being so inert and all.

Scientists make me laugh

Gold does just pass straight through. A gold compound, if it reacts, will drop the compound part and the remaining gold will pass straight through.

Gold can cause a variety of side effects which may mean that treatment has to be stopped. These include problems with the blood, kidney, or skin. Regular checks are usually made on blood and urine, and to look out for any sign of a rash. Mouth ulcers, altered taste, sore throat, fever, bruising, bleeding and breathlessness are all common side effects.

The author seems to use gold and the compound interchangeably. My guess is that these are side effects of the compound. AFAIK, it's not possible to have a reaction to elemental gold.

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 01:11:17
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
oh but I thought it just passed straight through? Being so inert and all.

Scientists make me laugh

Elemental gold is inert. The ion will bond to some stuff.

SP

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:12:27
A gold ion won't bond.

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 01:13:06
Why not?

SP

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 01:13:40
I mean, it bonded with the other ions in the compound, didn't it?

SP

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:13:55
Rather, it will bond for a period on the order of nanoseconds until a spare charge can be found and the gold atom is released again.

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:14:18
ok, so take ions then.

its still gold

the point is there is as much fucking about, disagreement and oneupmanship among scientists as there is in a hairdressing salon

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:14:47
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
Why not?

SP

Not to the stuff you can find in your body, I mean.

It's obviously not completely chemically inert...

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:15:32
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
ok, so take ions then.

its still gold

Read my preceding post.

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 01:16:23
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
Rather, it will bond for a period on the order of nanoseconds until a spare charge can be found and the gold atom is released again.
Right, I forgot about that. That's really neat. :)

SP

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:16:38
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
the point is there is as much fucking about, disagreement and oneupmanship among scientists as there is in a hairdressing salon

You really needed this as proof of that?

:clueless:

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:18:59
Originally posted by KrazyHorse@home
Not to the stuff you can find in your body, I mean.

It's obviously not completely chemically inert...

Then again, neither are the noble gases.

You can make xenon hexafluoride if you put your mind to it...

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:19:26
nope, I just wonder why when none of you agree on anything, you expect arts folk like me to believe you implicitly.

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:20:42
You should have believed me when I told you that there's no earthly reason to carry around gold in your body.

Unless you're smuggling it that is...

protein
31-01-2005, 01:21:32
"Arts folk" like me believe in the importance of scientific testing and logic.

I certainly believe in the computer I am using.

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:23:02
If gold was ferromagnetic that would be cool.

KrazyHorse@home
31-01-2005, 01:23:23
Would make prospecting a lot easier.

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:23:39
computers arent science dumb ass- the hamsters run in the wheels and write the letters on- duh!

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:24:34
I have nickel allergy so I believe in gold

Sir Penguin
31-01-2005, 01:26:08
That's right, computers are math.

SP

Oerdin
31-01-2005, 01:30:22
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
SP is correct, Gold will just pass straight through as it went in - completely indigestible, yet harmless...

I could just see the gold miners as they say "There's gold in them there turds!" :lol:

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:30:34
hoops

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:31:10
Originally posted by Oerdin
I could just see the gold miners as they say "There's gold in them there turds!" :lol:


come up and see me sometime ;)

Oerdin
31-01-2005, 01:34:26
One of these days I will have to go to a CG meet. I mean I've been coming to this site for years and I've only met one or two people who post here.

The Mad Monk
31-01-2005, 01:36:43
Originally posted by zmama
One of my friends swears that a colloidal silver solution cures everything. I think its a load of horse manure...but the silver hasn't seemed to hurt him, yet.

This place has it advertised

http://www.goldleafcompany.com/goldleaf.html

A while back, my brother was asking me whether you could safely consume silver, and what the likely effects would be.

I gave him a word: "argyria".

It later became a plot device. :)

The only "real" medical use silver has that I know of is in prescription burn creams, but there could be other uses that I am unaware of.

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:37:03
can you do me a favour and ..er... wear that Richard Gere navy uniform?

Cheers :)

The Mad Monk
31-01-2005, 01:43:20
I can try, but I doubt it will fit...

HelloKitty
31-01-2005, 01:44:35
Richard Gere navy uniform?

Is that a white sailor outfit witha gerbil?

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:45:18
I meant OERDIN

*twitch*

The Mad Monk
31-01-2005, 01:51:43
You want me to wear Oerdin's navy uniform!?

I know that won't fit!

sleeping_satsuma
31-01-2005, 01:52:55
no, I want Oerdin to wear Richard Gere's navy....

oh never mind :rolleyes:

MDA
31-01-2005, 13:05:45
Argyria isn't all bad, you can use it to get laid at Trek conventions.

MoSe
31-01-2005, 14:56:59
Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
oh a periodic table joke

you guys must get laid soooooo much!

maybe not, but we got lead

I had eaten gold once.
It was in a fancy-uppity vegetarian restaurant, one of the entries was a 2-inch cube of rice and diced vedg, with a goldleaf askew on top of it.

Funkodrom
31-01-2005, 15:00:55
Originally posted by MoSe
maybe not, but we got lead

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is my nomination for the post of 2005!

The Mad Monk
01-02-2005, 05:18:50
Bump for zmama's soon-to-be greying friend.

Darkstar
01-02-2005, 05:57:45
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
It's a gateway element. Once they've got you on the gold, your doomed to a life of nothing but sodium, radium, plutonium...

SP

:lol:


Brilliant!

Provost Harrison
01-02-2005, 15:27:26
Gold can form complexes...you can (theoretically) stick stuff to it. Aqua regis can dissolve gold because it forms the nitronium ion.

MoSe
01-02-2005, 16:40:42
is that something like aqua velva?

MDA
01-02-2005, 17:57:48
It'll close your pores, if that's what you mean.