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Venom
05-01-2005, 02:32:43
Got a budget $1500 dollars. No monitor needed. I already have a dell 19in flat screen.

zmama
05-01-2005, 03:01:21
Will you build it yourself?
What games?

Sir Penguin
05-01-2005, 06:10:01
Hoo boy!

SP

Sir Penguin
05-01-2005, 08:03:29
Athlon64 3200+, $200
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, $225
1 GB PC3200 RAM, $250
4x WD Raptor, $125 each
2x GeForce 6600GT 128MB, $225 each

Then get a DVD burner and a power supply, stick everything up on a piece of plywood, and put it out in the snow.

SP

Asher
05-01-2005, 11:19:40
That's impressive work -- it only took you nearly 2 hours.

MDA
05-01-2005, 13:13:03
Tell him to wait for PCI Express Athlon boards too, SP. :)


I'm still waiting... I know we're going to buy a house, end up house-poor and I'll never see a new computer.

zmama
05-01-2005, 13:24:38
http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/details.asp?PRDCODE=MBGA-K8NF9&REFID=PG

Venom
05-01-2005, 14:17:10
1 recommendation so far? You people suck.

zmama
05-01-2005, 14:23:09
Answer my questions, asshat!

Venom
05-01-2005, 15:25:03
Build or not build? Either way. I don't really care. I'm lazy so a packaged computer would be nice, but I recognize that a built computer will almost certainly be better and cheaper. Not to mention tailor made for my needs.

Games? All the new games. Specifically Half-Life 2, Pacific Fighters, and some other high powered games.

zmama
05-01-2005, 16:05:18
Built for you at

unitedmicro.com (system configurator)

My System's Specifications
(Assemble tests 72 hours burning)

Category Component

Case Thermaltake Wingo V7420AU ATX Black full Tower steel Chassis w/X sharp side w/420Watt Silent PSU

Motherboard Asus K8N-E Deluxe nForce3 Chipset 800MHz DDR400 SATA Raid Gigabit Lan USB2.0 ATX

CPU AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2GHz 512k cache 754pin Oem

Cooling Fan Thermaltake A1827 Heat Sink & Cooling Fan for AMD Athlon 64 & Opteron 1U/2U SERVER SOLUTION Copper

Memory PC3500 184PIN 512MB DDR434 SDRAM Lifetime warranty

PC3500 184PIN 512MB DDR434 SDRAM Lifetime warranty

PC3500 184PIN 512MB DDR434 SDRAM Lifetime warranty

Hard Drive Maxtor 120GB Serial ATA 7200rpm 8MB Hard Drive

Maxtor 120GB Serial ATA 7200rpm 8MB Hard Drive

Video Card ATI RADEON 9800 256MB DDR 8X AGP DVI+CRT+TV

CD ROM Mitsumi 54X CD-ROM IDE INT Black

DVD-RW LITEON 16X DVD+RW/-RW DUAL LAYER IDE INTERNAL BLACK

Keyboard Microsoft MultiMedia Keyboard PS2

OS Microsoft Windows XP Home

Warranty 1Years Labor,1Year Parts,Lifetime Tech Support (TS)

Total Price $1426.00 +$38 UPS ground shipping

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Though that video card may not be good enough :(

I'll look some more

Drekkus
05-01-2005, 17:39:14
Zmama, why would your recommend two 120 GB HD's, instead of a 250 GB HD, which apparantly is cheaper?

zmama
05-01-2005, 17:49:53
There can be a slight performance boost if you RAID 0 two drives...but you can also RAID 1 the two for redundancy.

Or no RAID at all...two physical drives are a tiny bit of safety. I'm glad I had two drives when my main PC went kablooie taking one drive with it

Vincent
05-01-2005, 18:23:21
What about 3 80GB drives then?

zmama
05-01-2005, 18:29:13
You'd need a separate RAID controller...the motherboard above is set up to RAID two drives

Vincent
05-01-2005, 18:36:52
What about 2 PCs then?

Vincent
05-01-2005, 18:37:43
Or you could use 2 drives for the raid thingy and the 3rd one for porn

Sir Penguin
05-01-2005, 19:00:08
Originally posted by Asher
That's impressive work -- it only took you nearly 2 hours.
1 hour and 45 minutes of that was resisting the urge to go computer shopping before bedtime.
Tell him to wait for PCI Express Athlon boards too, SP.
That is a PCIe Athlon board. :)

On the site where I buy my components, you pick the parts and the company will build and test the system for you for a bit of extra money. If you could find a place like that, that would be the perfect lazy solution.

SP

zmama
05-01-2005, 19:17:52
http://www.unitedmicro.com
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv

Venom
05-01-2005, 19:24:29
Mmmm perfectly lazy.

MDA
05-01-2005, 20:06:53
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
That is a PCIe Athlon board. :)


Yes, and I'm still waiting. :p

zmama
05-01-2005, 20:49:18
and I gave you a link!!!

Deacon
06-01-2005, 06:59:16
My take on the AMD gaming rig.

AMD Athlon 64.

Socket 754 board w/lotsa goodies, VIA or Nvidia chipset, Audio, Ethernet, USB 2.0, SATA, RAID, IEEE 1394, etc. from your favorite Taiwanese manufacturer. :)

Lite-On DVD-do-it-all burner.

Lite-On DVD-ROM.

Seagate 120GB SATA 7200RPM w/8MB cache.

Lotsa fast brand-name memory.

Super-duper ATI or Nvidia AGP card.

Antec PSU.

Sturdy, dull-looking slab-sided case with good cooling properties, no windows, excellent adaptability. Front ports for audio and USB are nice. With air cooling, noise is directly proportional to cooling power. Current thinking is that large fans turning at lower RPM will at least get rid of the high-pitched whine. Tying up cabling helps airflow, and stops it from getting into fans.

Floppy drive. TEAC, NEC, Sony.

Cheapie PCI Conexant-based modem.

WLAN adapter if the motherboard doesn't come with one. Netgear, D-Link, Linksys. G for speed and security. B for cheapness and vulnerability. USB for higher latency and to save expansion slots. PCI for lower latency.

Video capture and PVR. Plextor has an awesome-looking USB external "card" that does MPEG-2 and DivX (MPEG-4) encoding in hardware.

ATI Remote Wonder. It looks cool.

MS Multimedia Keyboard. PS/2.

MS or Logitech no-frills optical wheelmouse. USB.

Belkin surge strip w/phone and/or cable protection.

Sir Penguin
06-01-2005, 09:06:19
Is Socket 754 significantly cheaper than Socket 939?

Anyway, the best mid-high video card is the GeForce 6600GT. SATA is good, but you won't find SATA2 hardware for cheap. And definitely buy good quality, brand-name RAM. Corsair, Crucial, and Kingston are good names.

SP

Sir Penguin
06-01-2005, 09:17:57
Here's something more reasonable:

Athlon64 3200+, $200
Asus A8V Deluxe, $150
Corsair TwinX1024-3200 (2x512 MB RAM), $250
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 200 MB SATA 8MB cache, $125
Antec Sonata Quiet chassis, $115
NEC ND-3500A DVD+-RW dual layer (make sure the face plate matches the case colour), $75
XFX GeForce 6600GT 128MB AGP8X, $225

That leaves a few hundred more for keyboard, mouse, CPU fan, case fans, assembly, shipping, and tax. Maybe an extra hard drive for RAID.

SP

Venom
06-01-2005, 21:31:52
Addendum:

Video Cards.
ATI x800xt
geforce 6800 gto

?

Koshko
06-01-2005, 23:02:39
Go to Best Buy ... Buy whats on sale.

Darkstar
06-01-2005, 23:15:07
:lol:@Koshko! That's a good 'un!

zmama
06-01-2005, 23:42:28
Originally posted by Venom
Addendum:

Video Cards.
ATI x800xt
geforce 6800 gto

?

Some say one is better...others the other one. *shrug*

Deacon
06-01-2005, 23:55:27
ATI is better. Though Nvidia was once better. My opinions shift each time I get burnt with crummy driver software. Last time was Nvidia's turn. :)

zmama
07-01-2005, 00:20:02
:lol: I got burned with lousy ATI drivers

I still like ATI though and thats what I'd buy if I had the money...
but in some reviews the Geforce got slightly better scores with certain games. That may be because of deliberate tweeking of the card to play Doom3 better.

Not that any manufacture would EVER do such a thing!!!

Venom
07-01-2005, 13:53:51
So it's basically a wash then. I can deal with that.

zmama
07-01-2005, 14:26:56
Heres a halflife 2 comparison of the two cards

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2278&p=11

zmama
07-01-2005, 14:44:44
And a roundup of a shit load of cards

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-04.html

Drekkus
07-01-2005, 15:50:27
So why is a seperate DVD rom handy? From what I'm told directly ripping a dvd on dvd doesn't quite work, and it's just as fast to do it via your hd.

zmama
07-01-2005, 15:58:57
Well, a dvd player doesn't cost much if anything more than a cd player and can play both. Its(dvd) not essential but I think two optical drives are

Venom
07-01-2005, 16:01:14
Dammit. That HL2 comparison is great, but why can't anything be clear cut? Crap. Ok. I'm leaning towards the Nvidia.

zmama
07-01-2005, 16:14:06
What card do you have now?

I'll bet either the ATI or the Nvidia would make you very happy

Venom
07-01-2005, 16:29:36
I have the same card I had over 2 years ago. I think it's a GeForce 2 or something. Piece of crap. So yes, either one will make me happy.

Sir Penguin
07-01-2005, 18:48:01
ATi is Canadian.

SP

Venom
07-01-2005, 19:08:18
Nvidia it is.

Venom
14-01-2005, 19:35:36
Refresh question for video cards.

PCI vs AGP

Discuss.

zmama
14-01-2005, 19:42:26
AGP

no discussion

zmama
14-01-2005, 19:55:42
Or do you mean PCIe?

Venom
14-01-2005, 20:11:10
PCI Express, my dear friend. My apologies for omitting the e.

zmama
14-01-2005, 20:18:06
If I had the money ...PCIe

e=damned expensive right now

Venom
14-01-2005, 20:21:49
Alas, this is true. I, however, have what the children call "one of my doggs" working on a nice discount over at Dell for me. It is quite the fancy machine with quite a nice discount. Now we must niggle on exact price and components. This shall be fun.