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Japher
17-11-2004, 17:39:39
Would dystopia be the same thing as post apocolyptical? Or can, but not always? What the hell is dystopia? I know it's the opposite of utopia, but is there some sort of qualification other than everything sucking?

zmama
17-11-2004, 18:04:51
Can but not always.

Dictonary.com

1. An imaginary place or state in which the condition of life is extremely bad, as from deprivation, oppression, or terror.
2. A work describing such a place or state: “dystopias such as Brave New World” (Times Literary Supplement).

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-11-2004, 18:22:15
"1984" is dystopian, but not really post-apocalyptic.

Japher
17-11-2004, 20:53:52
Yeah, but bad by what standard? Would a movie about nazi germany from the eyes of a jew be classified a dystopian film?

zmama
17-11-2004, 21:00:42
Maybe...but not if the movie were by Mel Brooks

The Bursar
17-11-2004, 22:46:59
Dystopias are generally fantastical. Since utopias are unachievably good, dystopias should be unachievable bad. Since Nazi Germany was in fact achieved, maybe it wouldn't hold. A scenario where Nazi Germany won the war and there was no hope of further intervention from Allies or others, would be closer to what I would define as a dystopia.

Nills Lagerbaak
18-11-2004, 09:45:20
By your own definition that wouldn't be possible "If Nazi Germany had won the war....." implies a possibility therefore not a possible dystopia.

If all women suddenly grew penises - dystopia.

paiktis22
18-11-2004, 10:28:26
"dys" is the opposite of "eu" for not of "ou". I hope this clears things up.

Immortal Wombat
18-11-2004, 13:24:20
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
By your own definition that wouldn't be possible "If Nazi Germany had won the war....." implies a possibility therefore not a possible dystopia.
But in theory, Brave New World could occur. Probability is a continuous scale. If winning the war is not improbable enough, substitute: Nazi Germany would have had to win the war and then take over ze vorld, so there is nowhere to flee. Then it becomes dystopic. And far less likely.

Lazarus and the Gimp
18-11-2004, 20:14:43
"The Man in the high tower" and "Fatherland" are arguably dystopias.

Lazarus and the Gimp
18-11-2004, 20:15:53
"Riddley Walker" has been called a dystopia too, but I'm not so sure. However I thought I'd mention it because I think it's an incredible book and needs to be read by more people.

Darkstar
18-11-2004, 22:21:11
A dystopia is a corrupted utopia, isn't it? That's the original of the world... a dysfunctional utopia. So any planned paradise that didn't survive putting humans into it, is a dystopia.