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Gary
02-11-2004, 15:43:02
Intriguing, well to me anyway.

Anyone like to hazard a knowledgeable guess at whether this is a hardware or software difference ?

I write a file to a floppy disk from one of the XP machines at home.

I bring it into work, neither the NT nor the XP machine can read it.

I take the disk back home, nether of the XP machines can read it, but the Win 98 one doesn't even pause. Reads it as if there's no problem.

Why ?

Is it that the old self built Win 98 PC has a vastly better floppy disk drive to the ready made XP and NT machines ? Or is it a degradation of Windows software that any small problem trips it up ?

Spinrite is presently having a go at it at home. I'll see what it found when I get back.

Asher
02-11-2004, 15:46:21
NT/XP may better check for corrupted data, while 98 doesn't know better.

Debaser
02-11-2004, 15:57:32
Sounds like XP and NT machines are on a mission to phase out old 20th century technology. And rightly so. Get with the program grandad, and get yourself a USB2 memory stick like everyone else.

Gary
02-11-2004, 15:59:09
Mmm 'tis a thought.

In which case "bully for 98" since the files tried so far are fine and were unobtainable on the other PCs, which either complained the disk was unreadable, or tried to make out it was unformatted (a practice I thoroughly disapprove of since, hit "yes" for the format option unthinkingly, and it'd probably make things worse.

I'll have to test all the files and see if any have problems.

Gary
02-11-2004, 16:00:39
Memory stick ? Unsure the work PC will allow it, and anyway I'll bet that means fiddling at the back of the PC.

Change for the sake of it again, oh... that and more dosh from the punter that is.

Sorry what was this USB again :confused:

Debaser
02-11-2004, 16:07:21
They're little keyring sized memory sticks that connect to your computer via it's USB socket/s (the socket that your printer or digital camera connects to). I have a 256meg stick, which cost about £25, but bigger sizer or smaller sizes are available. Your work pc will allow it.

See here for more info: http://www.kingston.com/digitalmedia/datatraveler_home.asp

Gary
02-11-2004, 17:39:32
Interesting, Spinrite seems to think it's ok, but when I left it it seemed to be trying umpteen sample reads on some point. Must be a case of just needing a read/refresh cycle maybe.

Might imply a better drive, maybe.

Ah those sticks seem to be $25, tried to chase it to the UK sites but lost them somehow. Saw Sony ones advertised at about £65 though. Mmm what was the cost of a floppy again ? OK it may have a smaller capacity, but....

Asher
02-11-2004, 18:08:34
Floppies are shit. :)

Gary
02-11-2004, 18:11:05
A comment on your love life ? :confused:

Asher
02-11-2004, 18:28:18
I'm young and gay, you figure it out.

zmama
02-11-2004, 18:45:10
Floppies are shit

Sir Penguin
02-11-2004, 19:33:30
Floppies are shit, but you can get them for free.

I was working on a computer that had Windows 2000 on it and wouldn't boot. I installed Windows XP, and it wouldn't boot (with the same hardware error as with Win2K). I installed Windows 98, and it worked fine. Windows NT is better at detecting errors, but, well, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work. I don't see why detecting errors precludes getting access to the files.

SP

The Mad Monk
10-11-2004, 08:44:39
Is it possible to get Windows 98? I'm thinking of building a high(er) end machine just for Win98.

Gary
10-11-2004, 09:49:09
No idea, probably, I'd have thought.

Now if you find a dirt cheap place to get NT I might be interested. No one seems helpful in my desire to repair the damage done by the install attempt of a prog not tested on NT.

Thought for today. Why would folk encourage purchase of a USB device to replace the floppy, when Windows NT doesn't recognise the USB ports on the back of the box ?!?

Debaser
10-11-2004, 11:33:56
Because the folk encouraging the purchase aren't using Windows NT perhaps?

Funkodrom
10-11-2004, 11:37:33
Anything you can fit into a floppy you can e-mail, anything larger you can use something 21st century.

Gary
10-11-2004, 11:39:17
No, perhaps not, but they are responding to someone who has a 25% compliment of NT in the PC list. And ironically it's the one that I use the most in work and exclusively there for the floppy :(

* sigh *

Gary
10-11-2004, 11:42:58
I can't carry an email in my pocket and load it onto a nearby PC.

And it's just added hassle to hope that the PC has an internet conection, or to go through the hassle of getting to the site, hoping the site is up, logging in finding and openeing the email, dowloading the file attachment, etc..

Sometimes one thinks change is for the worst, just for the sake of change.

Funkodrom
10-11-2004, 11:43:42
Buy NT? :confused:

Is NT even supported these days?

Funkodrom
10-11-2004, 11:47:00
If you need to keep a copy I'd still write it onto a CD rather than a floppy, floppys are SO slow to load.

Gary
10-11-2004, 13:29:03
I'm not keen on burning CDs. Made too many coasters when I first bought a drive. Figured it was all a joke on the poor consumer.

Besides the works PCs donít have a burn facility.

Don't care if it isn't supported. Maybe that's one reason why I can't get the works IS to sort it out, but I figure another is that works IS folk tend, in the main, to be little short of useless. Not all, I have come across some good ones, but most.

Could throttle the one that passed me the application telling me how good it was going to be, without pointing out it wasnít tested on NT. Never trust a colleague.

Funkodrom
10-11-2004, 13:30:08
CD burners tend to work pretty well these days.

MoSe
10-11-2004, 14:12:24
yeah, we once had nazi book burners and Fahrenheit 451, now in the 21st we have CD burners and Fahrenheit 9/11

Anyone wants some IOmega ZIP disks??? :cute:

and anyway, I once got hold of some 8" xerox old floppies, I think they were sexy...

Debaser
10-11-2004, 14:18:55
I use Iomega Zip disks... what's wrong with that huh?

MoSe
10-11-2004, 15:18:30
that we might probably be the two last ones left???

Deacon
10-11-2004, 17:15:11
I haven't used floppies to archive data in years, but they're still occasionally useful as DOS boot disks. I hear that newer BIOSes can boot from USB devices, so maybe the floppy's days as the only practical bootable re-writable external drive are numbered.

No longer Trippin
10-11-2004, 20:37:10
I use a CD-RW bootdisk that has all the utilities I need and copies of several BIOS files along with a registry copy incase the comp gets corrupted.

You can boot from pretty much anything with most newer boards.