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DevilsH@lo
24-10-2004, 02:30:33
Hi

First time i ever posted in a thread about books but here goes.

I have just finished The Player of Games and read Excession before that, i know i am out of order already but which culture novel would you suggest next??

I would have asked qweeg directly, but his PM box is full.

Any pointers greatly appreciated.

No "f@#k off, there is no way you can read!" threads required ta :D

DaShi
24-10-2004, 06:08:55
Well, clearly my opinion isn't wanted. ;)

Lazarus and the Gimp
24-10-2004, 09:53:35
I always thought "Consider Phlebas" was my favourite. Horza the Changer is the best character Banks has written.

Funkodrom
25-10-2004, 11:08:22
I agree. They are all good though.

jsorense
25-10-2004, 15:33:38
"Consider Phlebas" Yes, I agree. It gives a lot of nice historical background.

I just got "Player of Games" and I am looking forward to it.

Funkodrom
25-10-2004, 15:42:21
I am sure I advised you to read that about 3 years ago. :lol:

jsorense
25-10-2004, 16:06:39
Originally posted by Funkodrom
I am sure I advised you to read that about 3 years ago. :lol: You forget that I had to learn how to read first.:(

Funkodrom
25-10-2004, 16:09:32
Ah. Sorry.

King_Ghidra
25-10-2004, 16:13:08
fuck off, there is no way you can read!

happy birthday btw :beer:

DevilsH@lo
25-10-2004, 23:44:24
Cheers K_G :D

Angelhorns
25-10-2004, 23:54:05
I am ashamed that my illiterate boyfriend has read more of my books than I have.
I'm trying to persuade him into reading Banks' non sci-fi but he isnt having it!! Help me!!

Lazarus and the Gimp
26-10-2004, 07:06:38
Start slapping him until he's read "The Wasp Factory". Then kick his arse until he's read "The Crow Road" too. That pair should get him hooked.

Funkodrom
26-10-2004, 10:06:36
Originally posted by Angelhorns
I am ashamed that my illiterate boyfriend has read more of my books than I have.
I'm trying to persuade him into reading Banks' non sci-fi but he isnt having it!! Help me!!

Wait 'till he runs out of sci-fi ones then leave some of the non sci-fi ones lying around and pretend not to notice that he's read them. ;)

DevilsH@lo
26-10-2004, 11:07:22
I'll read them, but if i don't like them i will hunt you both down and kill you for offending my eyes, with my burning but harmless mutant microwave oven.

Angelhorns
27-10-2004, 00:42:23
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Start slapping him until he's read "The Wasp Factory". Then kick his arse until he's read "The Crow Road" too. That pair should get him hooked.

exactly!

Rodgers
27-10-2004, 12:34:21
I think Player of Games is one of the weaker Culture novels - wait until you get on to Against a Dark Background and Use of Weapons - amazing stuff!

BTW - avoid his non-Culture sci-fi. I read Feersum Endjinn and wasnt exactly impressed by it.

Debaser
27-10-2004, 12:39:26
I hated Feersum Endjinn. Pretentious bollocks. A real effort to read. Put me off giving any more of his sci-fi efforts a chance I supppose.

His non sci-fi books tend to be really good, though they've gone downhill in recent years in my opinion (for example I thought Dead Air was lazy rubbish). The Wasp Factory & Crow Road are indeed both stunningly good.

Nills Lagerbaak
27-10-2004, 15:44:52
Definitely agree about his contemporary fiction having gone down hill. Dead air and Espedair street were really dull and the one about the cult could have been so much better. I don't really read him that much any more and there's a reason for that (much like I lost interest with Terry Pratchett)

Funkodrom
27-10-2004, 15:48:02
I liked Dead Air and Espedair St. they aren't his best but I still really enjoyed them. The cult one (Wit?) was one of my favourites.

Lazarus and the Gimp
27-10-2004, 16:35:17
I liked "Espedair Street", and "Whit" had its charms (like mentioning Farrington Gurney). "A song of stone" was rubbish, and "The Business" wasn't much better.

"Complicity" was good.

Angelhorns
28-10-2004, 00:16:41
everyone's a critic
In an ideal world, DH would be reading Ian McEwan....sigh...

DevilsH@lo
28-10-2004, 16:53:41
Read half of consider phlebas last night, there are alot of references in it that remind me of previous sci fi works, or even possibly films, which are just out of my memory at the moment.

The whole ragtag band of mercenaries setting off on some great quest shouts star wars at me, but not that loudly.

Angelhorns
28-10-2004, 22:34:43
how do you read so fast you FREAK?

jsorense
16-11-2004, 17:48:17
Just finished "Player of Games." It was fine but my favorites are "Look to Windward" and "Excession."

Beta1
16-11-2004, 18:10:24
christ I completely forgot "look to windward", thats a good one.

The latest one is good, although non culture.

The non sci-fi is good though, I thought "dead air" was quite a good return to form after "the business" which was shite.

Of the sci-fi

"consider phelbas" is the first and arguably best culture novel
"use of weapons" is very good, pretty twisted, shades of his more dark non sci-fi
"feersum enjinn" is shite, a experiment gone very badly wrong
"inversions" is very good, quite subtle. Actually a culture novel if you know what your looking for
"excession" is probably the most hardcore culture novel. Very confusing that most of the characters are not people, and that a lot of the dialogue is not in a very obvious syntax
"look to windward" is good
"the algebrist" is the latest one and a good read, wont go into any more as most people havnt read it yet

Non-sci-fi
"The Wasp Factory" is seriously very good, one of the few books that have made my skin crawl
"The bridge" is quite odd but strangely good
I dont think I've read espidair street,
"canal dreams" is a totally different novel from the others. Strangely un-twisted. And no thats canal as in panama not a misspelled carnal...
"The crow road" is very good, has been on TV
"Complicity" very good, banks back to his best with characters with seriously fucked up heads.
" A song of stone" is in some ways as twisted as the wasp factory and is bordering on scifi.
" the business" is shite dont bother
"dead air" is pretty good I think

Funkodrom
17-11-2004, 09:30:47
Originally posted by Angelhorns
how do you read so fast you FREAK?

Half a book in a night? That's pretty normal.

Scabrous Birdseed
17-11-2004, 10:30:48
Not if you have a LIFE!

*does "L" thingy on forehead*

Funkodrom
17-11-2004, 12:04:14
Well if it's a good book I'd go to bed at 11 or so and read 'till 1 that'd probably be half a book depending how big the book was. :)

Beta1
17-11-2004, 12:36:45
I tend to read on the bus to work. Went through the algebrist in about 4-5 days.

If I'm on holiday though I frequently get through 2-400 pages a day...

Rodgers
25-11-2004, 12:07:57
Wasp Factory is overrated I think. Not as much of a "classic" asI'd been led to expect.

Darkstar
26-11-2004, 00:15:41
Most classics are not that good, Rodgers.