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Asher
01-10-2004, 04:25:06
The people who write for it are actually intelligent people. AFAIK, this is a first for a TV comedy.

The writers all have a masters degree in math/compsci at the very least:

J. Stewart Burns graduated magna cum laude with a bachelor's degree in mathematics from Harvard University in 1992. His senior thesis was on "The Structure of Group Algebras." He received his master's degree in mathematics from UC Berkeley in 1993.

David S. Cohen (David X. Cohen) graduated magna cum laude with a bachelor's degree in physics from Harvard University in 1988. He received his master's degree in computer science from UC Berkeley in 1992. He published the following article with Manuel Blum: On the Problem of Sorting Burnt Pancakes. Discrete Appl. Math. 61 (1995), no. 2, 105--120. His comments about his career as a scientist can be found below.

Ken Keeler graduated summa cum laude with a bachelor's degree in applied mathematics from Harvard University in 1983. In 1990, he received his Ph.D. in applied math from Harvard University. The title of his doctoral thesis was Map Representations and Optimal Encoding for Image Segmentation. He also published the following article with Jeff Westbrook: Short Encodings of Planar Graphs and Maps. Discrete Appl. Math. 58 (1995), no. 3, 239--252. His comments about his career as a mathematician can be found below.

Jeff Westbrook received his Ph.D. in computer science from Princeton University in 1989. The title of his doctoral thesis was Algorithms and Data Structures for Dynamic Graph Algorithms. He was an Associate Professor in the Department of Computer Science at Yale University and also worked at AT&T Labs before writing for Futurama. He published the following article with Ken Keeler: Short Encodings of Planar Graphs and Maps. Discrete Appl. Math. 58 (1995), no. 3, 239--252.

source: http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/simpsonsmath/futuramamath/degrees.html

Asher
01-10-2004, 04:26:08
This site kicks ass too: http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/simpsonsmath/futuramamath/talk.html

http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/simpsonsmath/futuramamath/futuramatalk10min_files/Slide0002.gif

http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/simpsonsmath/futuramamath/futuramatalk10min_files/Slide0009.gif

:lol:

Debaser
01-10-2004, 07:33:04
I think it rules because of hypnotoad.

Scabrous Birdseed
01-10-2004, 11:26:02
Yes, all glory to hypnotoad.

Venom
01-10-2004, 12:44:01
All hail.

Debaser
01-10-2004, 15:54:57
Yay! (http://web.qx.net/lhaddix/htoad.htm)

Japher
01-10-2004, 15:56:08
I can't watch cartoons if they aren't on Saturday morning.

Angelhorns
01-10-2004, 16:48:27
its made by the people who do the simpsons so surely thats why its class?

protein
01-10-2004, 16:58:00
It's consistantly funnier than the simpsons though.

Asher
01-10-2004, 17:01:24
Its writers are different, the main producer is the same.

Asher
01-10-2004, 17:02:29
Here's one for GP/Jon Miller/KrazyHorse:

http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/simpsonsmath/futuramamath/futuramatalk10min_files/Slide0010.gif

HelloKitty
01-10-2004, 17:46:36
Originally posted by protein
It's consistantly funnier than the simpsons though.

Besides King of the hill what isn't consistantly funnier than the simpsons?

Angelhorns
01-10-2004, 17:50:49
the simpsons is way funnier than futurama

Asher
01-10-2004, 17:53:44
Originally posted by Angelhorns
the simpsons is way funnier than futurama
That's only because you're a stupid bitch and don't understand the best jokes in Futurama.

HelloKitty
01-10-2004, 17:56:56
Lets face it, the simpsons is dull crap and has been since about season 3, futurama is alright but nothing to crap your pants over.

Debaser
01-10-2004, 18:51:10
Dungeons & Dragons is still the best cartoon ever.

And Josie & the Pussycats

Sir Penguin
01-10-2004, 23:59:37
Prof Farsworth: Of course, even if it is possible to analyze the message, there's no way of knowing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem) how long it will take. It could take an hour, or it could take a hundred million years!

Amy: Spirit! Kiff, that's the pony I always wanted, but my parents said I had too many ponies already.
Kiff: Yes, I programmed it in for you. 4 million lines of BASIC!

Also worth mentioning is that Bender's apartment number is 100100 (check the ASCII character).

SP

protein
02-10-2004, 00:06:53
Dungeons & Dragons was ace. Did they ever get home by the way?

Debaser
02-10-2004, 00:34:32
Don't know, maybe I'll ask Paul Daniels...

http://www.jediman.free-online.co.uk/childrenstv/Dungeons_and_Dragons/Dungeons_and_Dragons.jpg

Debaser
02-10-2004, 00:43:12
Some of the D&D episode titles sound like prog-rock songs. Imagine if this was an album:

side1:
City At The Edge Of Midnight
Odyssey Of The 12th Talisman
Valley Of The Unicorns
The Prison Without Walls
The Lost Children

side2:
Child Of The Stargazer
The Girl Who Dreamed Tomorrow
Eyes Of The Beholder
The Last Illusion
The Dungeon At The Heart Of Dawn

You'd buy it wouldn't you...

Sir Penguin
02-10-2004, 01:56:43
http://www.sadgeezer.com/html/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/Futurama/aleph0plex.jpg

And if I remember correctly, Bender is powered by the same CPU as the Apple II (or at least one with the same name).

SP

The Mad Monk
02-10-2004, 03:56:26
Originally posted by Asher
Here's one for GP/Jon Miller/KrazyHorse:



http://www.nukees.com/comics/nukees20040924.gif



http://www.nukees.com/

Sir Penguin
02-10-2004, 04:31:00
The P=NP shot also contains a joke for the marine biologists: Condensed Milt (note: milt is fish semen).

SP

DaShi
03-10-2004, 04:50:16
And Emergency Beans for us dummies. :bounce:

Iskandar Reza
03-10-2004, 08:22:40
Professor Farnsworth: You look beautiful! Incidentally my favorite artist is Picasso.

:lol:

BigGameHunter
03-10-2004, 08:24:48
D&D rocked!

But it's no Thundarr the Barbarian.

fp
03-10-2004, 09:55:50
Originally posted by Debaser
I think it rules because of hypnotoad.

Damn right.

The Mad Monk
03-10-2004, 12:27:38
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
D&D rocked!

But it's no Thundarr the Barbarian.

Princess Ariel! :bounce:

Vincent
03-10-2004, 12:30:20
Congrats, you created the best nerd thread ever!

zmama
03-10-2004, 12:33:25
And a real nerds nerd to spot it!

Drogue
03-10-2004, 13:40:17
Originally posted by Debaser
And Josie & the Pussycats
There was a cartoon of that? :eek:

Debaser
03-10-2004, 14:08:28
Yup...

http://www.wingnuttoons.com/group4up.gif

The Mad Monk
03-10-2004, 14:28:04
The cartoon was from the early Seventies, came out about the time as the first Scooby-Doo. By the same shop too, and it had at least one crossover. Fairly popular at the time.

zmama
03-10-2004, 14:30:52
And I may be wrong, but I think it came out of Archie comics?

The Mad Monk
03-10-2004, 14:32:46
Maybe. I don't know.

Great. Now I have Inside, Outside, Upside-Down running through my head.

The Mad Monk
03-10-2004, 14:40:17
http://members.aol.com/horemheb/lyric13.htm

That site also lists collectables back to 1970, which matches my memories of watching it (well, the In Outer Space version, anyway) while we were moving out of an apartment when I was four.

The Mad Monk
03-10-2004, 14:44:48
Coolness!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000056WSS/103-9141746-0999069?%5Fencoding=UTF8

The Mad Monk
03-10-2004, 14:45:56
Dammit, I have a wedding to go to at one, and I still need to buy pants!

I'm outta here!

Vincent
03-10-2004, 16:14:04
Originally posted by zmama
And a real nerds nerd to spot it! Why didn't you post it then!

zmama
03-10-2004, 16:15:11
I was saving it for the bigger nerd

Vincent
03-10-2004, 16:16:07
Too bad Darkstar is gone

zmama
03-10-2004, 16:19:16
You'll do

Vincent
03-10-2004, 16:38:57
I think I'll have to, though I'm not the right one for the job.

Angelhorns
04-10-2004, 08:11:56
Originally posted by Asher
That's only because you're a stupid bitch and don't understand the best jokes in Futurama.

of course, this is all to do with my intelligence, and nothing to with opinion...

Greg W
04-10-2004, 08:30:14
Opinions are like Arseholes! And Asher wants to fuck them all.

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 09:23:02
I dunno which is better. Simpsons has got a bit less good recently but it's still more blatantly left wing and subversive. Futurama is more laugh out loud funny (and has a lot more science jokes).

protein
04-10-2004, 10:46:48
I thought Futurama was more left wing and subversive. I saw a great episode the other daywhere there was a presidential campaign. There were all sorts of anti-republican slurs. They even brought back Nixon's head on a giant evil robot's body. He was just stomping around killing everything in sight and calling everybody "damn loving communist peaceniks".

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 10:54:24
Yeah, true. That's a great episode. They both are pretty subversive basically. Maybe it's just because there are so many more Simpsons episodes they've had a go at more targets.

Asher
04-10-2004, 11:30:30
http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/futu3000/nixon.jpg

protein
04-10-2004, 11:35:38
I suppose I see the Simpsons as more right wing because they push the good honest christian family values all the time. I still love the Simpsons though.

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 11:41:23
WHAT?!

Good honest christian values? In the Simpsons? Are you tripping?

protein
04-10-2004, 11:46:27
Nope. They are always going to church. God and the devil feature in a few episodes. Apu is for laughing at. Being faithful and honest is always the moral message. The only one in the family who isn't like that is Lisa who has been given a loony leftie buddhist character.

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 11:58:59
:confused:

Apu is the conduit for racial predjudice satire. He's the conduit for all the jokes aimed at showing how stupid a lot of racial predjudices can be.

As for the church scenes, I can't possibly see how that can be seen as a pro-Christian message. Mostly they are poking fun at the hypocricy of organised religion. If they didn't go they wouldn't have that opportunity in the same way. Plus church going is much more normal in the kind of town that Springfield is supposed to be than it is in the UK.

The only thing that might tie in with what you said is that the family love each other despite being a bunch of total fuck-ups. To me the message is normaLly that even if you have all the retarded shit that the world throws at you sticking together with your friends and family can make stuff turn out ok. People often succeed through being 'bad' or fail when being good.

The writers are very clever at disguising the show as a normal moral message type cartoon but that's part of what makes it so subversive.

HelloKitty
04-10-2004, 15:39:12
The simpsons is not, and has never been subversive.

As for what protein is saying, thats what the writers have said in interviews.

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 15:41:07
Sneaking that amount of social satire into a peak time 'kids' cartoon is pretty subversive I think.

HelloKitty
04-10-2004, 15:43:34
"kids" cartoon? the show has never had kids as the target audience.

HelloKitty
04-10-2004, 15:44:19
and as for social satire, the show doesn't have that anymore, every episode is just an ass kiss fetish fest for that weeks guest star.

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 15:54:44
Maybe not as much any more but it certainly did.

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 15:56:54
As for the kids cartoon thing, when it first came out it was huge with kids. It works on so many levels that's what's great about it.

King_Ghidra
04-10-2004, 16:08:14
Originally posted by Funkodrom
It works on so many levels that's what's great about it.

just like that film of the guy getting hit in the balls by a football

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 16:10:59
:lol:

Venom
04-10-2004, 16:28:02
Agreed. :lol:

protein
04-10-2004, 16:34:51
I'm aware of the satire but underlying all that you get the sense that one of the left wing writers would come up with a subversive idea then the group of writers would make sure that in the end it all boils down to good old family values.

Obviously not in every episode. All the halloween ones seem to be pretty cool.

Funkodrom
04-10-2004, 16:36:18
I am always disappointed with the halloween ones. Mainly because I don't like halloween though.

protein
04-10-2004, 16:39:49
I think it's because they feel like they can get away with more risky content and they can do impossible and improbable things. Homer time-travelling for instance. Futurama can do those sorts of things all the time.

Vincent
04-10-2004, 16:47:33
Originally posted by HelloKitty
The simpsons is not, and has never been subversive.

As for what protein is saying, thats what the writers have said in interviews. Indeed. And I think it's really quite conservative in a certain way. I think of the episodes where Homer grows some hair and he gets promoted etc. In the end he stays where he is because that's where he belongs and he's happy and though he has a messed up life and family they love each other as they are.
You may say that's a clever satire because it doesn't go over the top and the "message" is so cheesy. But is it funny?

protein
04-10-2004, 16:53:23
It's still excellent though. :)

Vincent
04-10-2004, 16:53:49
Of course

protein
04-10-2004, 16:58:50
I just thought I'd say that incase my moaning made me sound like I didn't love it. Which I do.

Vincent
04-10-2004, 17:00:07
I have it on DVD

Vincent
04-10-2004, 17:00:45
It means you don't have to like the things you really love

Funkodrom
05-10-2004, 08:23:21
Isn't that the message of The Simpsons? :)

Sir Penguin
25-03-2005, 11:13:13
I forgot about this one, from when they're following Beck's head around on tour in an ancient VW van.

Bonus quote from the episode:
Prof. Farnsworth: Where's the device that lets you speed or slow the passage of time?
Fry: Under the seat. *pulls out a bong*

SP

Drekkus
25-03-2005, 11:31:00
Originally posted by Vincent
It means you don't have to like the things you really love deep

Vincent
25-03-2005, 11:35:36
of course

miester gandertak
25-03-2005, 11:41:15
throat ?

The Shaker
25-03-2005, 12:53:44
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
I forgot about this one, from when they're following Beck's head around on tour in an ancient VW van.

Bonus quote from the episode:
Prof. Farnsworth: Where's the device that lets you speed or slow the passage of time?
Fry: Under the seat. *pulls out a bong*

SP

Ahh, the worst DVD of the series,

Beck, followed by Harlem globetrotters, followed by lucy liu episopdes.

Sir Penguin
25-03-2005, 20:54:14
I liked the Beck and Globetrotters episodes, but not the Lucy Liu and Blurnsball episodes.

SP

HelloKitty
26-03-2005, 19:18:35
Originally posted by The Shaker
Ahh, the worst DVD of the series,

Beck, followed by Harlem globetrotters, followed by lucy liu episopdes.

So they did what the simpsons did and stopped writing and just made every week a guest star show?

Sir Penguin
26-03-2005, 23:06:56
No. Only a few episodes had big-name guest stars.

SP