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protein
10-05-2004, 00:41:43
I know pretty much nothing about the classical side of music, but I know there is a whole world of music that is partly excellent and mostly dull out there for me to discover.

Can anyone recommend some to me? I like subtle and emotional, probably on the darker side of things and I really don't like anything pompous and full of arpeggios. Kind of slowly evolving strings or maybe cello/violin solos with backing. Adagio for Strings rather than Ride of the Valkyries or chamber music.

Help!

protein
10-05-2004, 00:42:33
Or choral stuff. I like that. But not the pompous stuff. Hmm. My descriptions are rubbish.

JM^3
10-05-2004, 02:05:44
I could make a bunch of recommendations

one is June

Jon Miller

Nills Lagerbaak
10-05-2004, 08:37:48
Maybe you should listen to Michael Nyman for slow evolving stuff. Frankly I find it very , very boring, but it does make good film music.

Noisy
10-05-2004, 09:41:22
Emotion (dark) - Mahler's 2nd; Puccini's 'La Boheme'
Emotion (rousing, uplifting, choral) - Orff's 'Carmina Burana'; Beethoven's 9th

Basically, the works that are famous are famous for a reason - they are accessible to the general audience. On the other hand, I bought Mozart's 'Marriage of Figaro' because it was famous, but found it impenetrable.

'Light' classical is probably the way to start: Dvorak 'From the New World'; Holst 'Planet Suite'; Elgar 'Enigma Variations'.

Otherwise, just listen to Classic FM, and note down the composers that you like.

protein
10-05-2004, 09:53:00
I'ev always liked Carmina Burana and the Planet Suite but they are a little DAH DAH DAH DU DU DU DU! I'd rather listen to subtle.

I'll check out Nyman, Puccini, Dvorak and Elgar today.

Scud Wallaby
10-05-2004, 17:19:56
You could do a lot worse than listening to some 'Ludovico Einaudi' too. I think he's great - purely piano so not strictly 'classical'. Seen him play live too - sublime.

-Scud-

protein
10-05-2004, 17:28:37
Listened to Puccini's 'La Boheme'. Sounds suspiciously like Opera to me. Not my bag at all. Take that as an example of what I mean by "pompous".

Any takers on music similar to Adagio for Strings?

Debaser
10-05-2004, 17:43:31
er.... other stuff by Barber perhaps?

Lazarus and the Gimp
10-05-2004, 17:49:52
Originally posted by protein
Listened to Puccini's 'La Boheme'. Sounds suspiciously like Opera to me. Not my bag at all. Take that as an example of what I mean by "pompous".

Any takers on music similar to Adagio for Strings?

Try Greig- some parts of "Peyr Gynt" could fit the bill. It's lovely stuff.

Vincent
10-05-2004, 19:51:03
Schubert!

protein
10-05-2004, 21:04:34
CHeers guys.

Debaser, I'd like to make a witty comment but I genuinely didn't think of that.

Der. *slaps head.

protein
10-05-2004, 21:59:16
I'm liking Greig and Schubert.

I managed to download a horrible panpipe version of Ave Maria though. Yurgh!

Funkodrom
11-05-2004, 07:49:12
Originally posted by protein
Listened to Puccini's 'La Boheme'. Sounds suspiciously like Opera to me. Not my bag at all. Take that as an example of what I mean by "pompous".

"La Boheme, it's an opera" - Louis Winthorpe III, Trading Places (1983)

A lot of classical composers have a huge range of different work, so look for the actual pieces not just the composer. That said pretty much everything Puccini did was opera.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-05-2004, 09:22:26
I was always partial to a little Chopin myself. (if you like the piano though...)

Lazarus and the Gimp
11-05-2004, 16:24:46
For minimal yet effective, try Satie. It's solo piano pieces.

Scabrous Birdseed
11-05-2004, 18:38:34
How about sampling some of each major period of classical music (renaissance, baroque, "classical" classical, romantic, 20th Century) to get a timewise dispersion? Everything suggested so far appears to be of the Romantic period (except Carmina Burana).

protein
11-05-2004, 19:12:49
Good idea. I think I like early music so I'll start there.

Lazarus and the Gimp
11-05-2004, 19:16:03
In that case, try some Purcell. If you want really early stuff, try Hildegard von Bingen.

The Kronos Quartet did an album "Early music" that has some seriously ancient things on it. It's good.

protein
11-05-2004, 19:23:20
So far I am digging Greig the most. It has a visual quality that I can't get from waltzey type classical.

Aredhran
12-05-2004, 08:24:25
Try Mozart's requiem - dark, emotional, choral...

Nills Lagerbaak
12-05-2004, 08:52:51
Originally posted by Aredhran
Try Mozart's requiem - dark, emotional, choral...

Wait minute isn't that featured on Spinal Tap?
Actually that might be Eine kleine nacht music (Mozart?)

Noisy
12-05-2004, 09:04:27
Ravel: Bolero/Daphnis Et Chloé
Debussy: La Mer/Prélude A L'Apres-Midi D'un Fuane

Amazon CD (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000001GA8/103-0341500-7395826?v=glance)

protein
12-05-2004, 11:08:28
Winners so far, Greig, Barber and Beethoven.

Debaser
12-05-2004, 11:24:42
What do they win?

Funkodrom
12-05-2004, 12:00:54
A copy of chimpcopter.

protein
12-05-2004, 12:26:15
Sam's managed to pinpoint the stuff I like. Arvo Part and Debussy.

Vincent
12-05-2004, 13:38:41
Who is Greig?

Debaser
12-05-2004, 13:42:49
Google images reckon this is him...

http://www.verymerryseamstress.com/greig.jpg

zmama
12-05-2004, 14:01:28
Why the big suit?

protein
12-05-2004, 14:12:45
If you pushed that guy over at the top of a hill he'd be fucked.

Nills Lagerbaak
12-05-2004, 14:34:29
Yeah, but if you stood him guard outside the baron's castle in Bavaria, then any would-be invaders would be fucked. And that, my friend, I think is the point.

protein
12-05-2004, 14:38:43
If he was in Bavaria he'd be the Baron.

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 10:08:25
If you're finding your way into classical, Protein, I can give you two recommendations:

1) 'Seven' - an orchestral suite written by Tony Banks, on the Naxos label. Orchestral tone paintings of pastoral English scenes, contemporary and light, but with emotional substance.

2) Avoid anything by Ludovico Einaudi: commercial froth to exploit the gullible.


K

Funkodrom
25-05-2004, 10:09:57
Hello Kaszper! Welcome to CG.

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 10:11:28
Ta!

And you spelled my name right - so many don't!

Funkodrom
25-05-2004, 10:13:17
The magic of copy and paste. :D

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 10:17:09
Cheapskate - you've ruined it now.

Scabrous Birdseed
25-05-2004, 12:12:14
Is that a polish sz or a hungarian sz?

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 12:35:14
D'you know - nobody's ever bothered to ask me that before.

It's Hungarian.

Scabrous Birdseed
25-05-2004, 12:53:18
Akkor tudsz magyarul beszélni? Vagy csak egy magyar-hangzú neved van?

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 12:57:42
Afraid not, old boy. It's just a name.

Scabrous Birdseed
25-05-2004, 12:59:18
Damn.

Scabrous Birdseed
25-05-2004, 12:59:47
Well, at least I tried.

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 13:00:16
Yew shore did!

Scabrous Birdseed
25-05-2004, 13:04:13
Anyway, the correct answer should have been "No. Yes."

Ha ha.

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 13:15:40
Vicces.

Resource Consumer
25-05-2004, 14:28:57
We have a really talented ex-sports minister in this country. WHo would have thought Tony Banks could write music?

Kaszper
25-05-2004, 14:53:30
Originally posted by Resource Consumer
We have a really talented ex-sports minister in this country. WHo would have thought Tony Banks could write music?

There's always one, isn't there?

Not that Bony Tanks.

BigGameHunter
26-05-2004, 08:11:31
I suppose I'll have to show that my classical tastes are as pedestrian as my other musical tastes, but I would suggest Johann Pachelbel's Canon, Brahms, Bach, Mozart, et. al.

Kaszper
26-05-2004, 10:10:09
There aren't words in even the mighty English language to describe how much I detest Pachelbel's BLUDDY canon!

Why do people like that repetitive dirge??

:mad:

BigGameHunter
26-05-2004, 15:49:51
A Canon is, by its very nature, repetitive. I sense that Protein is a meditator at times, so such a piece could prove an aid to that pursuit.
I've always liked it.

Kaszper
26-05-2004, 16:08:49
Yes, I know. But there's repetitive and there's repetitive.

It's one of those 'weaning' pieces which are great for playing to children to get them into classical music, but I don't understand why an adult would choose to listen to it.

Also, we have a national radio station in the UK called Classic FM. This caters for people who like the idea of liking classical music, but prefer it in simple bite-size chunks, and ideally linked to some advert on TV. There was a time when it was playing this what seemed like every 37 minutes, so every time I sought refuge from some opera on Radio 3 by switching briefly to Classic FM, they were playing Pachelbel's BLUDDY canon!

Drove me mental!