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Scabrous Birdseed
03-05-2004, 18:23:19
I say Latin Freestyle. It's great.

Debaser
03-05-2004, 18:27:36
Is that like Salsa or something?

Surely if it's truely "freestyle" then by definition it's free from any pre-ordained style, and thus is not a genre.

Scabrous Birdseed
03-05-2004, 18:50:24
It's not truly Freestyle. In fact it's very strict. And it's nothing like Salsa.

Basically the difference between the crap pop of the seventies and the crap pop of the eighties (and the crap pop of today) is that different genres have had bits borrowed into the crap pop to make it sound very slightly edgy. I mean, they all are "softened up" by having loads of extra instruments added in, by having their medlodies and rhythms simplified, by being tilted away from the bass end towards the treble, by removing edgy sounds and so on, but to sound contemporary they all borrow from current genres in order to not sound too old hat.

If today's pop music borrows from R&B and ABBA borrowed from Spector and bubblegum, the genre from which Madonna, New Kids on the Block, to some extent StockAitkenWaterman borrowed their now-aged "contemporariness" was Latin Freestyle. Aka Freestyle, aka Urban Dance, aka Latin Hip-Hop (which is something entirely different these days), aka Hi-NRG. Basically imagine "Step By Step" or "Like a Virgin" minus all non-synth instrumentation and backing singers, with loads of more mechanical electro-style elements, especially absolutely shitloads of orchestral hits. And bass, deep deep sub-bass.

Debaser
03-05-2004, 19:06:06
Can you give me an example of a popular tune from this genre that I should be able to fine on Kazza or eDonkey....

Scabrous Birdseed
03-05-2004, 19:07:49
I can give you a (highly illegal yet legal) link.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008Z4G5/103-9353659-9783008?v=glance&n=468928

As the dude says, it's actually "Silent Morning" by Noel.

Scabrous Birdseed
03-05-2004, 19:09:53
Other good ones are "Love is Vain" by Michele, "Promise Me" by Lil Suzy and "Love is on her mind" by SaFire.

*End Is Forever*
03-05-2004, 19:25:54
Emo. :cute:

Debaser
03-05-2004, 19:27:15
See what you mean by the 80's pop sound, but how is this any different to all those old Chicago house records from about 20yrs ago?

Scabrous Birdseed
03-05-2004, 19:48:49
It's not THAT different I suppose, but then it's not THAT different from other 80s dance styles or the earlier electro either. They're all vaguely parallel dance music styles with vaguely similar quality and creativeness, but Freestyle is today largely forgotten, despite influencing not only pop and other dance music styles (not least House) but also via Bass much of today's Hip-Hop.

Scabrous Birdseed
03-05-2004, 19:51:22
I mean, listen to the Chicago House tracks, say, here (http://www.tigersushi.com/site/frameset.jsp?page=tsc/genre/13wk.htm) and play them side by side, the difference is startling not least because Freestyle sounds so incredibly eighties. :)

RedFred
04-05-2004, 20:36:32
As far as I am concerned the genre of the music is almost independant of the quality of the music. And many of the best bands aren't bound by traditional musical rules, but go on to make their own rules.

Scabrous Birdseed
04-05-2004, 20:50:21
I on my end think most great music is created in communities, local groups of musicians making music in co-operation/competition. That is almost always genre music.

Vincent
05-05-2004, 12:27:23
genres are overrated

Funkodrom
05-05-2004, 12:31:31
In any genre there are a huge number of terrible bands/artists, some proficient but boring bands/artists and a few great bands/artists.

If you are a fan of the genre you will like most of the great bands/artists of that genre and a selection of the proficient but dull ones.

So what's overrated are the mediocre bands in the genres you like.

Lazarus and the Gimp
05-05-2004, 16:11:58
Qawwali is underrated. Play it and people say "Is this Bhangra? Where's the bass? Why do they keep repeating things? Where's the chorus?"

RedFred
06-05-2004, 22:19:14
Funko seems to agree with Theodore Sturgeon's rule that 90% of everything is crap.

I think Nusrat's nephew Rahat is doing a good job of picking up the Qawwali torch and running with it.

Somewhat in conflict with my earlier post, I can't stand Cantonese pop. I don't know why, but it is invariably excruciatingly bad.

King_Ghidra
07-05-2004, 08:58:41
if that is his rule, then theodore sturgeon is my god

Funkodrom
07-05-2004, 11:35:46
I'd go for 95%. :D

Vincent
07-05-2004, 15:13:56
90% of shit is crap

Immortal Wombat
07-05-2004, 17:17:07
The rest is sweetcorn.

King_Ghidra
07-05-2004, 18:22:01
that'll teach me to read CG while eating my dinner