View Full Version : Listen with prejudice

13-03-2004, 12:36:57
Try to find a very cliche song for one genre,

#1 Reggae

Lazarus and the Gimp
13-03-2004, 12:43:20
"Don't turn around"- Aswad.

13-03-2004, 12:58:35
Redemption Song - It's good, but so many fuckers have covered it that it's now become cliched.

Lazarus and the Gimp
13-03-2004, 13:16:47
"Rat in mi kitchen"- UB40

Amazingly, UB40 were once not too bad.

13-03-2004, 17:39:28
It's got to be "Electric Avenue" by Eddy Grant, don't you think?

13-03-2004, 20:32:54
oooh yeah that's a stinker, BGH!

*End Is Forever*
13-03-2004, 20:35:50
"Sweat (A la la la la long)" by Inner Circle comes into my head, but that might just be because "Mysterious Girl" is a blatant rip-off of it...

Scabrous Birdseed
13-03-2004, 20:49:07
But there are so many reggae clichés! And they're all pretty much false, too. A particularly insinuant stereotype which is pretty much the opposite of everything proper reggae stands for is the "carribean tourist paradise fun" type of song, most deeply and evilly exemplified by danish band Laid Back's holiday number "Sunshine Reggae". (Although the B-Side, "White Horse", is a classic. Strange coupling.)

Naw, but overall the most unpleasantly stereotypical reggae track would have to a be a lamely produced roots track from the mid seventies, by Bob Marley most likely. I dunno, "One Love"? "Get Up, Stand Up"? That sort of thing.

Now, another cliché would be what I'm prejudiced to think reggae fans like. That's gonna have to be Roots again (the ex-skins I hang out with on the Trojan message boards are a minority), so how about "Row, Fisherman, Row" by the Congos? Great track for the subgenre.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-03-2004, 20:52:00
Actually, I'm changing my mind- the ultimate reggae cliché is clearly "Satta Massa Gana" by The Abyssinians.

*End Is Forever*
13-03-2004, 20:58:24
Okay... #2 "Garage Rock"

Scabrous Birdseed
13-03-2004, 21:02:42
"Dirty Water" by the Strandells.

15-03-2004, 07:55:41
Gotta be "Smells like teen spirit" by Nirvana.

Oh, and SB, if you ever say anything disparaging about Bob Marley again, I will personally hunt you down and kill you.

Scabrous Birdseed
15-03-2004, 08:21:32
He's just quite boring in a well-constructed way. Like the Beatles, except without the importance.

15-03-2004, 09:42:34
well at the very least he's as important as anyone else who transmitted a little known genre to a mass market audience

and SB, don't you think the best candidate for a cliche might somehow involve a track that some people had actually heard of

Scabrous Birdseed
15-03-2004, 09:48:40
Oh go on then. Name a track from the original Garage era that people have heard of. Louie Louie by The Kingsmen is a candidate but it's kinda pre-garage.

15-03-2004, 10:16:07
well when i hear garage rock i don't think of the original garage era you refer to, but rather the new stuff. Maybe *EiF* can clear up which one he was refering to.

equally i think BGH has something of a different interpretation...

Scabrous Birdseed
15-03-2004, 10:32:48
Maybe there are different levels of cliché, just like someone who knew a lot about art would probably find some simply exasperating example of something all the half-baked autodidacts like that's just so gauche.

Like the cliché of "the first rock 'n' roll song". One cliché that's widely known is "Rock around the Clock" by Bill Haley and His Comets, another is "That's Alright Mama" by Elvis Presley. Both are false, of course, and those "in the know" are likely to scoff at any suggestion of the above. The problem is that the next layer of knowledge is also a cliché and probably false - Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cars probably did not invent rock with "Rocket 88", even though you'll hear lots of people claim it. So it's like an onion- find a group which has peeled away a layer of clichés and they're likely to have deeper clichés themselves.

15-03-2004, 10:47:39
ok, that's a very valid point

just out of interest, then, what is the perceived original rock n roll song if isn't one of those you mentioned?

15-03-2004, 10:57:15
Amazing Grace

Scabrous Birdseed
15-03-2004, 11:35:06
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
ok, that's a very valid point

just out of interest, then, what is the perceived original rock n roll song if isn't one of those you mentioned?

I don't know. :) It's like one of those spiritual self-relisation thingies- you return to the state of no knowledge that you originally came from. You can put in a nice sounding phrase like "a number of R&B songs around 1949-1950, each exhibiting most of the essential elements that would be considered Rock'n'Roll, but none of them being innovatively 'first' as it was an evolutionary change", but essentially all that means is also "I don't know". :)

15-03-2004, 11:40:27
well in a roundabout way you've probably hit the nail on the head - there is no 'first rock n roll song', just a gradual evolution of music into what we now know as that genre

15-03-2004, 21:43:50
I'm starting to think we're going to need separate categories for those of us stateside and those across the pond.
We'll probably need a third one for the Norwegian types and even a fourth for the commie scum Spaniards now too.

16-03-2004, 09:58:18
you mean cowardly left-wing idiot spaniards

16-03-2004, 11:57:24
*turns card over*

Damn - I had "Mullah loving Euro fag-weenies" :(

16-03-2004, 16:57:23
It's us against the world, lads! Into the breach!

Lazarus and the Gimp
16-03-2004, 17:18:26
"Psychotic Reaction"- Count Five.

Even Lester Bangs failed to make this any good.