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Funkodrom
11-02-2004, 22:56:38
To keep the thread pure of any "That's shit!" comments.

BigGameHunter
12-02-2004, 06:49:57
That's shit!

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 09:18:57
Protein, you clearly can't count up to two

Too many for me to look at in your list and I don't like the cure or U2 anyway so I'm ignoring all of them. *shrug*

protein
12-02-2004, 09:53:51
How can you not like The Cure? You said you didn't like Robert Smith's voice but the guy from The Darkness sounds exactly like him.

???????

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 09:54:36
The Cure are boring.

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 09:55:38
Got a lift home from work last night and we were talking about favourite Pink Floyd albums. Everyone agreed that Dark Side was good. It was one guy's favourite but I still prefer Wish You Were Here.

King_Ghidra
12-02-2004, 12:08:14
i think shine on you crazy diamond I and II and wish you were here are great tracks, but don't realy like the other two on that album, whereas dark side of the moon is pure class.

btw, i don't think 'best of' albums should be allowed

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 12:10:53
I think Have a Cigar is my favourite Pink Floyd song.

King_Ghidra
12-02-2004, 12:27:53
i'm genuinely stunned

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 12:51:31
It's not musically the best, I just like it most.

Debaser
12-02-2004, 13:45:11
I never really *got* Pink Floyd. Wish You Were Here is probably the album I've listened to most, but that isn't saying much.

King_Ghidra
12-02-2004, 14:29:33
Relics is pretty cool, it has all the really old 60's stuff they did. Very inventive and quite literally mad in the case of the syd barrett stuff.

zmama
12-02-2004, 14:31:04
The Cure are boring. Pink Floyd is boring.
Don't hate em...they just put me to sleep.

Eklektikos
12-02-2004, 15:12:31
Is Blue Valentine Pre or post Swordfishtrombones?

zmama
12-02-2004, 15:22:06
Pre, in 1978....hard to choose between the two. I just think that everyone should own at least a bit of Tom Waits. :D

Venom
12-02-2004, 15:58:49
GREEN DAY????? GREEN DAY???? The 3 note band? That's shit.

*End Is Forever*
12-02-2004, 16:16:32
Dookie was genre-defining. Even Johan conceded he didn't hate it.

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 16:17:35
I think that Dookie is the best album of it's genre. I really like it.

Venom
12-02-2004, 16:23:08
Bah. I hated that album so much I threw it out my car window when I was driving.

Eklektikos
12-02-2004, 16:23:41
I'm quite fond of it if only because those were some of the first songs I learned to play on guitar.

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 16:27:20
They are ridiculously easy.

*End Is Forever*
12-02-2004, 16:28:46
Simplicity is bliss. :)

Venom
12-02-2004, 16:33:39
Not after you hear the same notes in every song. That CD is good for at most 3 listens. Then it's out the window!

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 16:36:30
Well... I wouldn't go that far but if you have that album you have a superior version of every other pop punk album released after it as well, so there's certainly no point listening to any others.

Venom
12-02-2004, 16:40:00
I disagree, but I don't listen to enough full pop punk albums to argue the point effectively. For me, their simplicity is a negative.

*End Is Forever*
12-02-2004, 16:47:32
...says the man who nominated a "talking shit over a backing beat, with any hint of melody stolen from 70s pop records" album...

Aredhran
12-02-2004, 16:51:24
Originally posted by Venom
Bah. I hated that album so much I threw it out my car window when I was driving.

Just admit you did that to maim some kid who was making faces at that piece of junk you call a truck

King_Ghidra
12-02-2004, 16:52:19
i would say that 'defined the pop punk genre' would be on a par with 'responsible for the holocaust' as far as damning epitaphs go.

if every single person in the world recommended dookie to me it wouldn't be enough, i've heard all i need to hear of that crap

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 16:54:34
All of it is shit compared to Dookie. But then if you don't like it you don't like it. *shrug*

The difference, if anyone's interested, is that Dookie actually has an interesting rhythm section.

zmama
12-02-2004, 16:57:06
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
Bob Marley and the Wailers-- Confrontation
Leonard Cohen-- The Future

:cool:

zmama
12-02-2004, 16:58:30
And I agree with Venom :D

protein
12-02-2004, 17:07:22
I think the problem with pop punk is that punk wasn't supposed to be happy clappy nice pop for Americans it was supposed to be filthy political British angst. It just doesn't work.

Just like when British people try and do country & western. How can it come from the soul if you haven't even been to the truckstop diner and met the buxom beauty you're singing about?

Debaser
12-02-2004, 17:13:13
Punk is American. The Sex Pistols copied the New York Dolls.

King_Ghidra
12-02-2004, 17:13:27
my major problem is the fact that all of these fucking songs are about some navel gazing college nonsense or retarded dawson's creek relationship that no adult could possibly take seriously

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 17:15:39
But the first punk bands were American. MC5, Lou Reed, Patti Smith, Iggy Pop, The Stooges, New York Dolls, The Ramones et al. Before the British 'punk' scene exploded in '77.

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 17:16:32
Damn, beaten to it by Debaser.

Funkodrom
12-02-2004, 17:17:09
Dookie is also lyrically about a million times better than most of the bands.

Lurker
12-02-2004, 17:29:58
I never thought of Lou Reed as punk. Edgy, but not punk.

Venom
12-02-2004, 17:35:54
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
...says the man who nominated a "talking shit over a backing beat, with any hint of melody stolen from 70s pop records" album...

Whether you like rap or not, without that album there is no rap today. It bridged the gap between the geeky Kool and the Gang and the hardcore style of Eazy E and NWA and made rap the multibillion dollar industry it is today.

King_Ghidra
12-02-2004, 17:39:50
yeah it was certainly one of the first rap albums to have a genuine chart appeal

speaking as white pseudo-middle class guy who was at uni in the mid nineties i would say that the dre's chronic, snoop's doggystyle, and warren g's regulate were the first rap albums to really make an impact on my demographic

maybe ice-t to a lesser extent, but not so much really

Venom
12-02-2004, 17:42:26
Plus it's good shit. 50 times better than 95% of the rap out there today.

Lazarus and the Gimp
12-02-2004, 17:55:20
The first band to call themselves "Punk" were Suicide, in about 1971.

Lazarus and the Gimp
12-02-2004, 17:58:00
Originally posted by Venom
Whether you like rap or not, without that album there is no rap today. It bridged the gap between the geeky Kool and the Gang and the hardcore style of Eazy E and NWA and made rap the multibillion dollar industry it is today.

Eh?

Have Public Enemy just been airbrushed out of history?

Debaser
12-02-2004, 18:16:14
Hopefully. They were massively over-rated in my opinion. They only got so much attention because of their (often plain offensive) political stance. Run DMC and Ultramagnetic MCs are both much better from that era, and anyway, Public Enemy didn't exactly trouble the pop charts in the same way Snoop or Warren G did.

Gramercy Riffs
12-02-2004, 18:17:41
Cannibal Ox and Anti Pop Consortium were two of the best "hip hop" artists recently. Sadly both split up last year.

zmama
12-02-2004, 18:22:57
Originally posted by Venom
Whether you like rap or not, without that album there is no rap today. It bridged the gap between the geeky Kool and the Gang and the hardcore style of Eazy E and NWA and made rap the multibillion dollar industry it is today.

I love geeky Kool and the Gang :p

Venom
12-02-2004, 18:23:36
That just goes to show you how geeky it is.

Venom
12-02-2004, 18:24:21
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Eh?

Have Public Enemy just been airbrushed out of history?

Pardon me for not listing out and dividing into each group every rap group of the 80s.

King_Ghidra
12-02-2004, 23:15:08
that sounds like a job for MoSe

Funkodrom
13-02-2004, 19:35:03
I wish I'd suggested Rage Against the Machine.

The Shaker
13-02-2004, 19:36:28
I am a god.

The Shaker
13-02-2004, 19:37:11
I've so far resisted going through the maiden back catalogue.

Eklektikos
13-02-2004, 20:14:01
Thank the Shaker.

Funkodrom
14-02-2004, 01:01:42
Now protein has backed up The Shaker's choice of RATM.

I think I know how Shakey feels when I steal his jokes. :cry:

Scabrous Birdseed
14-02-2004, 13:12:18
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
The first band to call themselves "Punk" were Suicide, in about 1971.

Bollocks.

Lazarus and the Gimp
14-02-2004, 14:18:40
S'true.

There were what we now call "Garage Punk" bands before then, but they weren't called "Punk" at the time. That label was attached later.

Scabrous Birdseed
14-02-2004, 14:20:17
I curse the fact that I've left the liner notes to the Nuggets box at home. I'm sure the term is older than that though.

Lazarus and the Gimp
14-02-2004, 14:21:29
Super Furry Animals are on the list. I just don't get them at all, even though I'm biased (a great friend of mine has worked for them for years). They don't do much for me.

Debaser
15-02-2004, 12:14:07
Countdown to Ecstasy???? Surely you prefer The Royal Scam or the awesome Aja??

Also, I now have Bodhisattva stuck in my head. Thanks Zmama.

zmama
15-02-2004, 12:20:09
But you already said Aja!... And the Royal Scam is right up there, too. Hard to pick so I just arbitrarily did...
Those are my three favs

Debaser
15-02-2004, 12:23:24
Ok, fair enough. Have you heard Everything Must Go? It's lamer than a Walter Becker solo album.

zmama
15-02-2004, 12:44:01
I've heard every scrap of everything Dan-ish :D
I didn't hate Everything Must Go at all...there were a couple of really good songs on there. Is it something I think everyone should own? Nope.

And I like weird Walter songs in tiny doses...very tiny. He makes me laugh.

Debaser
15-02-2004, 12:48:53
I know a really good website where you can download loads of Dan demos and out-takes. It's got lots of really good alt versions of Aja-era tracks, as well as lots of live recordings from their last tour (the version of Dirty Work sung by their 3 girly backing singers being a personal favourite). I'll post the link when I get home.

zmama
15-02-2004, 12:51:51
Umm, I doubt it's a legal site...I can't see Becker and Fagen letting alt versions of their visions out. I don't do illegal....well I try not to ;)

Debaser
15-02-2004, 12:58:52
I don't think it's particularly illegal. The site seems fairly established and grown up. Live versions aren't illegal anyway.

I'll post the link later and let you decide for yourself.

zmama
15-02-2004, 13:07:02
Okay thanks :D

Scabrous Birdseed
15-02-2004, 13:13:06
I've decided that Laz might be right after all. About the time, not necessarily about Suicide.

zmama
15-02-2004, 13:33:05
No Raspberries!!!!

Scabrous Birdseed
15-02-2004, 13:34:44
Hey, let the man recommend his own work. It's not that bad.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-02-2004, 15:51:40
MC5 "Kick out the Jams". I've got mixed feelings over that one. Spectacular intro, but some of the songs are decidedly whiffy.

Debaser
15-02-2004, 16:27:17
Here's that Steely Dan link I mentioned up there *points*

http://www.andymetzger.com/sounds/

zmama
15-02-2004, 16:31:51
Thanks Debs :D

Scabrous Birdseed
16-02-2004, 11:29:57
Today's theme (I've been theming my picks if you haven't noticed) is Albums That I Like But Have Never Recommended Before. I felt it needed to be done.

BigGameHunter
16-02-2004, 16:10:31
Nice pick with Lyle Lovett, zmama. I was thinking of putting "Step Inside This House" down... Great album.
Saw him live back in '95 (Emigrant Lake outdoor theater--guest appearance by Julia even!) and he seems like a real talent and a gentle soul.

zmama
16-02-2004, 16:35:23
I've seen him live four times :D
No, not competing...concerts are what we do. For Lyle we even *gasp* paid!

Venom
16-02-2004, 17:41:20
Plus he tagged Julia Roberts. Must've been a great album.

zmama
16-02-2004, 17:57:47
Now you see I think she was darn lucky to have him. She's a flake.

BigGameHunter
16-02-2004, 18:33:26
See, Venom, even ugly men have a shot at gals like zmama!

Vincent
16-02-2004, 18:43:30
Snapcase is right, "Blue" or sometimes "Hissing of the Summer Lawns"

Venom
16-02-2004, 19:19:01
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
See, Venom, even ugly men have a shot at gals like zmama!

The only catch being, they're talented. Some people are cursed with no talent and ugliness.

BigGameHunter
16-02-2004, 22:03:59
You have realultimateugly power!

Scabrous Birdseed
17-02-2004, 08:13:58
Today's theme is: Albums so obvious no-one has dared mention them in case they're bullied for it.

Funkodrom
17-02-2004, 09:18:55
I thought someone said Pet Sounds already.

*End Is Forever*
17-02-2004, 10:07:07
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's already been said.

Scabrous Birdseed
17-02-2004, 10:08:22
Oh. Well. I did say it was obvious.

zmama
17-02-2004, 12:21:39
Well, I'd already said Blue :D

zmama
17-02-2004, 12:22:35
And Scabby...two thumbs up for Television!

Debaser
18-02-2004, 13:32:01
This is really pedantic, but it's been bugging me. Chronic Town is an Ep, not an album.

Scabrous Birdseed
18-02-2004, 14:23:31
Mmmm.... Nebraska.

I'm having trouble thinking of albums that'll go well into a theme. I think I'll pop on two box sets and see the purists cringe.

zmama
18-02-2004, 14:41:01
Originally posted by Debaser
This is really pedantic, but it's been bugging me. Chronic Town is an Ep, not an album.

Don't tell anyone but it was bugging me, too....shhh

Lazarus and the Gimp
18-02-2004, 17:16:28
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
I think I'll pop on two box sets and see the purists cringe.

I thought you were the purists. Do you feel dirty now?

Lazarus and the Gimp
18-02-2004, 17:17:22
"Nebraska" is great. I'm not really a Springsteen fan, but he was touched by genius when he did that one.

Debaser
18-02-2004, 17:23:26
I agree. Any album that has a song which opens with the line "Well they blew up the chicken man" is ok by me.

Vincent
18-02-2004, 20:01:18
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
[BI think I'll pop on two box sets and see the purists cringe. [/B] Nuggets is very nice.

zmama
18-02-2004, 20:10:14
Desire is great ...must be why I already picked it :)

Scabrous Birdseed
18-02-2004, 20:13:18
GP/Grievous Angel is great ...but it's two albums. :)

Lurker
18-02-2004, 22:34:56
Emmylou Harris put together a tribute album called Return of the Grievous Angel. A lot of tribute albums suck, but this one is very, very good. I hate picking favorite cuts, but particularly noteworthy on this album are Evan Dando and Juliana Hatfield -- $1,000 Wedding and Gillian Welch -- Hickory Wind.

BigGameHunter
18-02-2004, 22:40:24
Oh, please. Don't make me use the rolleyes for the first time.

Lazarus and the Gimp
18-02-2004, 22:47:09
The only comment I can make on Gram is that he ruined The Byrds. Overrated junkie tosspot in crap suit.

Scabrous Birdseed
18-02-2004, 23:03:10
Hey, don't diss the Nudie man.

Caligastia
19-02-2004, 03:56:37
Cbeast:shoot:

Funkodrom
19-02-2004, 09:31:01
Gram Parsons - GP/Grievous Angel

I bought that for my brother, who loved it, but I haven't heard it.

Debaser
19-02-2004, 10:21:23
I know GP/Grievous Angel is 2 albums, but I have them both formatted onto 1 CD, and I think that if Scabby can get away with nominating box-sets then I can nominate this.

BigGameHunter
19-02-2004, 15:44:25
And you bucked an EP?!?

Anywho...I'll never buy this stuff in a million years...the only way to qualify it is to base purchase on the opinions of the likes of you--and that certainly doesn't seem safe!
:)

Debaser
19-02-2004, 16:28:07
So you don't like the My Morning Jacket album then?

Lurker
19-02-2004, 17:51:08
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
Oh, please. Don't make me use the rolleyes for the first time.

Huh? I take it you don't like that album?

zmama
21-02-2004, 14:19:27
Nice choice with Saint Dominic's Preview, jsorense. I was going to pick it if only for "Jackie Wilson Said".

Lazarus and the Gimp
21-02-2004, 15:17:58
I can't believe we've had no comment from SB about Nick Drake yet.

Nick Drake holds a unique place in my theories on music. As far as every other band/artist on the planet is concerned, liking or disliking them is just a matter of opinion. However anyone disliking Nick Drake is just plain wrong, and if I understood those threads that KrazyHorse and Jon Miller sometimes post I could probably prove this with funny equations and Greek symbols.

Scabrous Birdseed
21-02-2004, 17:24:01
Nick Drake fans are all pretentious wannabe actors, in my experience. Except Laz.

zmama
21-02-2004, 23:04:00
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
I'll just let zmama post all of mine for me! :)

L7-- Hungry for stink (especially for girl rock band lovers)

The English Beat-- Special Beat Service

Why yes, I do have great taste in music :lol:

It's message boards and men where my taste is suspect ;)

Vincent
22-02-2004, 09:33:54
Originally posted by zmama
Nice choice with Saint Dominic's Preview, jsorense. I was going to pick it if only for "Jackie Wilson Said". Or Listen to the Lion! Excellent album, though I like "Veedon Fleece" and "Moondance" better. Usually you find "Astral Weeks" in top 100 lists, but I thing it highly depends on my mood. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I hate it.

jsorense
22-02-2004, 19:55:09
Thanks for the comments zmama and C.G.B. It is a sweet album.
I am surprised that Who's Next wasn't cited earlier.

Scabrous Birdseed
22-02-2004, 20:06:00
I'm surprised it was cited at all. Considering it was a low point of a particularly odious post-Tommy career. Eerily bad, The who should have quit during the Mod era.

BigGameHunter
23-02-2004, 16:24:24
Lurker--no, my rolleyes comment was in regard to the pedantic references to Chronic Town being an EP.

Debaser-- My Morning Jacket It Still Moves is great. I love it.
In fact, I have a number of songs on a compilation my friend made me that are pretty evocative of this style. Have you checked out Pedro the Lion yet? Pretty good stuff. And I nearly wept upon listening to Wilco's Jesus, etc. That's a must have.

And I'm sorry, but Nick Drake is just Cat Stevens more regularly bathed and slightly more depressed.

Lazarus and the Gimp
23-02-2004, 17:15:51
Balls. Nick Drake was a phenomenal guitarist. Cat Stevens was merely a decent one, and though I do like Cat Stevens he never did anything in the same league as "Pink Moon" or the high points of "Five leaves". They weren't playing the same game.

BigGameHunter
23-02-2004, 17:53:15
I guess Brighter Later was his worst album, then? 'Cause it sounds like a load of weepy crap for the most part, with a brilliant exception or two...it reminds me (as I've said before) of "Matthew and Son", clearly Cat's worst album.

I'll suspend judgement until I've heard more.
Mainly, I just wanted to wind you up.
:)

Debaser
23-02-2004, 17:57:25
Nick Drake's so pussy he makes Belle & Sebastian sound like NWA. I don't think I've ever managed to listen to a whole song of his.

Lazarus and the Gimp
23-02-2004, 18:24:16
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
I guess Brighter Later was his worst album, then? 'Cause it sounds like a load of weepy crap for the most part, with a brilliant exception or two...it reminds me (as I've said before) of "Matthew and Son", clearly Cat's worst album.

I'll suspend judgement until I've heard more.
Mainly, I just wanted to wind you up.
:)

"Bryter Layter" is the worst album by some margin. It hasn't aged well.

Gramercy Riffs
23-02-2004, 18:41:39
The Who were much better post Mod. The 70's stuff was their best work.

Lazarus and the Gimp
23-02-2004, 19:22:22
"Sell out" was my favourite Who album. "Armenia city in the sky" is guaranteed to put a smile on my face.

zmama
23-02-2004, 23:09:39
BGH...sent you a PM :D

jsorense
24-02-2004, 02:36:20
Originally posted by Gramercy Riffs
The Who were much better post Mod. The 70's stuff was their best work. I strongly agree. The Mod/Rocker stuff was a little too cute and pop for my taste.

Oh, S.B. I know you have strong opinions about music, it is too bad that they are all wrong.:cool:

Scabrous Birdseed
24-02-2004, 06:38:23
What's wrong with cute pop, I might ask? Surely it has its role. Something which cannot be said for dry-as-a-bone pompous symphonic bullshit.

Lurker
25-02-2004, 16:13:33
Ok, what's wrong with dry-as-a-bone pompous symphonic bullshit, I might ask? Surely it has its role. Something which cannot be said for cute pop.

Lurker
25-02-2004, 16:15:56
Good call on Steve Earle - Guitar Town.

Vincent
25-02-2004, 18:36:50
Ok, what's wrong with Steve Earle?

Lurker
25-02-2004, 18:42:12
HARR HARR HARR.

Chris
25-02-2004, 22:38:24
Some interesting albums named, but leaving off the Stones was a terrible omission. "Some Girls" is still my fav Stones album, 'Miss You' sounds as good today as it did when it came out.

Van Halen is an aquired taste, and I only like em with Diamond Dave, not the later kiddy stuff. Diver Down was eddie at his best, the guy was a true master.

Noisy
29-02-2004, 17:32:53
Ok, for my obligatory "That's Shit!" comment I have to nominate anything by Radiohead or by Steeley Dan. zmama has really gone down in my estimation. :D

Nice call by Ek with Dinosaur Jr.

Chris
18-03-2004, 19:31:27
Billy Joel's " The Stranger" was problay the best album he put together in his long career, featuring top hits such as 'movin out' and 'just the way you are,' they highlighted Joel's ability as a story teller as much as anything.

Queen's "Jazz" was one a of a serious of innovative albums by this group, and included such bazar yet fun songs such as 'Fat bottomed girls' and 'bycycle races.'

zmama
18-03-2004, 19:39:37
Well, Noisy I might consider your opinion on Steely Dan if you'd spelled it correctly, or weren't such a prog rock dinosaur. ;)

RedFred
18-03-2004, 21:33:03
Originally posted by Chris
Queen's "Jazz" was one a of a serious of innovative albums by this group, and included such bazar yet fun songs such as 'Fat bottomed girls' and 'bycycle races.'

You can't be "series"!

If I had to pick a Queen album it would be Queen 1. They mostly came out with shlock after about the time of Night at the Opera.

Debaser
18-03-2004, 21:37:20
If I had to pick a Queen album I'd forcefully cave my own face in with a breeze block. They were utter wank.

(Yes, I know I have the American version of the Best Of Queen on tape, but I was very young when I bought it.)

zmama
18-03-2004, 21:49:19
I agree with Deb...but don't even have a youthful indiscretion with Queen like he does. :D

Gramercy Riffs
18-03-2004, 21:51:34
Originally posted by Debaser
Both are the third best album by a band featuring Dave Grohl?

Bleach is the best Nirvana album, closely followed by In Utero. I forget the name of the other one.

Gramercy Riffs
18-03-2004, 21:52:25
And Dave Grohl isn't on Bleach.

BigGameHunter
18-03-2004, 22:01:24
Man, Chris...you are a serious wide-legger. Where's the Judas Priest and Great White?

Chris
18-03-2004, 22:18:08
Sorry you folks don't like Queen, but as always, that's your bad taste, not mine.

Queen had a habit of doing only a few good songs per album, Jazz was one of their better efforts overall. They continually pushed the envelope of rock music through the late 1970s and into the 80s, creating a unique sound and place for themselves.

I'm surprised at you DeBaser, with your comment about that you had a greatest hits when you were younger, Queen rates higher then 95% of the crapola that some folks have listed so far. "Utter wank" is utter nonsense, you're getting as bad as Snappy/scabby with his anti-Pink Floyd campaign.

Sneak, JP had only two songs I ever liked, both off "British Steel," but that doesn't make it worth getting.

Great White blows chunks, they should all have burned.

Debaser
18-03-2004, 22:59:20
Originally posted by Chris
I'm surprised at you DeBaser, with your comment about that you had a greatest hits when you were younger, Queen rates higher then 95% of the crapola that some folks have listed so far. "Utter wank" is utter nonsense, you're getting as bad as Snappy/scabby with his anti-Pink Floyd campaign.

Hey Chris

Don't be such a prick. It's only music, it's all about personal taste, I happen to think Queen ARE utter wank (and Billy Joel for the record), it's not utter nonsense, it's what I think. They're overblown, arrogant, public-schoolboy, coked-up, stadium toss. You think 95% of the album listed are "crapola", so fucking what? Do you think that just because my post doesn't begin "In my personal opinion..." then I'm trying claim it as PROPER UNDENIABLE SCIENTIFIC FACT rather than opinion? Maybe you should stick to your overly nationalistic guns & ammo threads.

Oh, and there's no capital B in Debaser, thanks.

Debaser
xx

Scabrous Birdseed
18-03-2004, 23:26:53
Fight, Fight, Fiight, Fight, Fight!

Gramercy Riffs
18-03-2004, 23:29:02
Night, Night, Night, Night, Night, Night! No really, I'm off to bed.

Scabrous Birdseed
18-03-2004, 23:35:27
Yeah me too. Have a really heated battle all night you two, y'hear?

zmama
18-03-2004, 23:57:48
And I don't like Pink Floyd either! :D
:sleep:

Asher
19-03-2004, 09:08:47
Unfortunately for everyone here, you're hopelessly misguided.

Clearly, Yourself Or Someone Like You is the finest album of all time.

;)

King_Ghidra
19-03-2004, 09:19:50
Originally posted by Debaser
Nick Drake's so pussy he makes Belle & Sebastian sound like NWA.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

King_Ghidra
19-03-2004, 09:27:22
Originally posted by Gramercy Riffs
Bleach is the best Nirvana album, closely followed by In Utero. I forget the name of the other one.

i don't agree with that opinion but negative creep is one of my favourite songs of all time

i wonder mr riffs if you are just a bit jaded with nevermind or trying to preserve your musical cool by not picking the most popular album as the best? :p

i would say in utero is the best though :D

King_Ghidra
19-03-2004, 09:31:40
Originally posted by Noisy
Ok, for my obligatory "That's Shit!" comment I have to nominate anything by Radiohead

That's a fairly bizarre coment given that they have produced something like 5 very different sounding albums.

In fact, why do i hold back - Noisy, your opinion is an unjustified crock of shit.

King_Ghidra
19-03-2004, 09:33:13
Oh and Drogue, Snow patrol? :lol:

It's pretty good, but it's not that good

Eklektikos
19-03-2004, 10:55:16
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
i would say in utero is the best though :D
I agree. The other albums had some excellent individual songs, but In Utero is a much more interesting, moving and better written album as a whole.

Funkodrom
19-03-2004, 10:55:34
I don't know if it's the 'best' whatever that means but Nevermind is the one I listen to most and In Utero is the one I listen to least but I love all of them.

Actually I listen to Incesticide probably more than any of them but that's not a 'proper' album it's b-sides and stuff. The opening four tracks Dive, Sliver, Stain, Been a Son are probably my favourite four Nirvana tracks.

zmama
19-03-2004, 13:20:23
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
Thelonious Monk with John Coltraine.
Bob Mould~ Workbook

Displaying amazingly good taste again, BGH :D
I like the Bob Mould and love that Monk/Coltraine...it's so cool.

Chris
19-03-2004, 14:12:34
Originally posted by Debaser
Hey Chris

Don't be such a prick. It's only music, it's all about personal taste, I happen to think Queen ARE utter wank (and Billy Joel for the record), it's not utter nonsense, it's what I think. They're overblown, arrogant, public-schoolboy, coked-up, stadium toss. You think 95% of the album listed are "crapola", so fucking what? Do you think that just because my post doesn't begin "In my personal opinion..." then I'm trying claim it as PROPER UNDENIABLE SCIENTIFIC FACT rather than opinion? My, my aern't we sensitive?

I was simply responding TO YOU saying they suck old boy, so, I could easily apply what you said back to yourself.
You don't like em, no skin off my ass, millions of folks do, including me. I happen to have seen Queen more then once, and if a tenth of the bands listed could come anywhere near Freddy mercury's vocal range, or put on a half as good a stage show, they would be big news, but they ain't, so there. :p

Maybe you should stick to your overly nationalistic guns & ammo threads. I do guns and ammo threads?

Where?

Considering I'm anti-gun, this is news to me boychick.

Maybe you shouldn't try to rip into someone with an assinine comment based on them liking different music from you.

Oh, and there's no capital B in Debaser, thanks.

Debaser
xx Looks better with one.

So, why so anal, have a bad day or something?

Eklektikos
19-03-2004, 15:47:58
Originally posted by Chris
if a tenth of the bands listed could come anywhere near Freddy mercury's vocal range, or put on a half as good a stage show, they would be big news
Of the bands I've mentioned in the other thread both Faith No More and Mr Bungle easily fit those criteria, yet the latter has never been anything more than a cult act and while the former saw a decent amount of commercial success I am often surprised at how few people I meet have heard of them. Queen did better than that because of luck, timing and wilful self-promotion rather than through musical ability.

EDIT: Not that I think Queen lacked musical talent (although I'm not overly impressed with the way they used it much of the time), but I don't for a minute believe that it's what got them their legendary status.

Chris
19-03-2004, 16:07:32
Its all opinion, I was just surprissed ol Queen got hammered so bad, but they have at least 12 top ten hit songs,over several decades, that isn't a fluke or luck.

BigGameHunter
19-03-2004, 16:20:47
Thank you kindly, Ms. zmama...I aim to please.

I like Queen ok, but, like The Doors and some other older bands, they seem to grow pale and insubstantial over time. How people don't like Pink Floyd is a head scratcher to me, though. And no one seems to talk about Zeppelin here...
Even if they haven't always hit the mark just right, you have to give bands like that some credit for range and willingness to dare and progress what is considered "marketable" which, unfortunately, drives the whole thing.
And some bands are just so much better/worse when you take their live performances into consideration, but that's another topic.

Chris
19-03-2004, 16:44:23
Quite a few albums already mentioned I would have listed, like the Clash and Ramones stuff.

I get the feeling classic rock isn't huge around here, but if I had to pick a Led Zep album, I would go with IV (it has no name, oddly enough.)

Funkodrom
19-03-2004, 17:10:35
The Zep are really good but I'm not a fanatical fan.

King_Ghidra
19-03-2004, 17:12:42
Originally posted by Chris
Its all opinion, I was just surprissed ol Queen got hammered so bad, but they have at least 12 top ten hit songs,over several decades, that isn't a fluke or luck.

unfortunately the argument that sales equals quality is total nonsense

otherwise westlife would be the best band evaaaaaarrrrrrrr

Funkodrom
19-03-2004, 17:16:19
Cliff Richard has had god knows how many number ones over 5 decades so clearly he shits on Queen.

I know that's the point K_G made but I wanted to get the image of Sir Cliff shitting on Queen.

Lazarus and the Gimp
19-03-2004, 17:43:43
Bob Mould's solo stuff reminds me a bit too much of Phil Collins. I was really disappointed by "Workbook". Then again, I was always more of a Grant Hart fan.

Gramercy Riffs
19-03-2004, 17:49:29
Originally posted by King_Ghidra

i wonder mr riffs if you are just a bit jaded with nevermind or trying to preserve your musical cool by not picking the most popular album as the best? :p


The latter :hangsheadinshame:

Gramercy Riffs
19-03-2004, 17:51:54
No, seriously I do prefer Bleach to the others, but as mentioned before, they are all good.

Funkodrom
19-03-2004, 19:27:48
I've gone through phases of having them all as my favourite. Nevermind is the one that has that whole being drunk for the first time 16 year old kid at a party dancing in the dark thing going for it.

zmama
20-03-2004, 16:57:05
I appreciate Led Zep and used to really like them. I still like some songs, but for the most part finding the originals that they stole and put their names on (as writers) rather put me off them. Plus they've been played to DEATH!!!!. Maybe I'll like them again in 20 years ;)

jsorense
20-03-2004, 20:23:14
Led Zep IV aka ZOSO.
Yeah, there are a number of bands that I thought were great once and can't stand to hear now, The Beatles and The Eagles foremost among them.
Oh, The Doors too.

Chris
20-03-2004, 20:49:09
Eagles are played out, but I still like quite a few Beetles songs.

Vincent
21-03-2004, 08:01:29
Never listened much too the Doors, so I still can stand it. Not that I really like it, some few sinister songs.

Debaser
21-03-2004, 10:21:46
Originally posted by jsorense
Led Zep IV aka ZOSO.

Do you mean aka Symbols? ZOSO was just Jimmy Page's little personal logo (they each had one).

Lazarus and the Gimp
21-03-2004, 10:36:47
I thought "So-so" was a brave and succinct way of summing up his work, personally.

Scabrous Birdseed
22-03-2004, 21:01:15
I've now borrowed Bleach and In Utero off a friend and I shall therefore spread my eternal wisdom and arbitrate on the controversies.

(a) In Utero is better than Bleach.

(b) Dave Grohl is actually not a bad drummer.

but

(c) Krist Novoselic is a crap bass player.

BigGameHunter
22-03-2004, 21:35:34
Hell is an open mic night with you the only performer.

Scabrous Birdseed
22-03-2004, 22:00:36
Actually I think I'd quite enjoy that.

BigGameHunter
23-03-2004, 15:36:47
Why doesn't that surprise me?
How do you say "fillibuster" in your native tongue?

Foetus
24-03-2004, 02:36:14
A few random musings as I've come to the party late ...

Punk: US punk and UK punk IMO are two distinct, though perhaps historically related genres. You can't really compare the Stooges with the Exploited.

Nirvana: I never really listened to them before Nevermind, which is a classic album and far more accessible than the other offerings. So I'll plump for in utero as my preferred listening, simply because it's more interesting.

Better musicians: Being completely inept at any musical instrument, I'd feel loathe to criticise anyone unless they fell in the category of "beneath my ability". Someone with such woeful musical skill may exist and be successful enough to warrant renown in some small musical sphere, but I doubt it.

Oh, and finally, I'd agree with the chap that says Black Sabbath (pre '76) are the greatest musical entity to ever grace the planet. That's not surprising, however, as that chap is me.