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Sean
18-11-2003, 22:00:20
36.76 including shipping for one

I currently have a Radeon 7200. Is it worth upgrading with my Athlon 1Ghz, 256MB RAM? Should I go for something better? Or should I upgrade elsewhere first?

Asher
18-11-2003, 22:36:23
The 9200SE is good for Civ3, but that's about it. ;)

4 pipes, 64-bit memory bus, slow clockspeeds...

Go for the regular 9200 or even 9200 Pro, to get the 128-bit bus, at the very least.

Sean
18-11-2003, 22:45:25
Thanks Asher.

What is the difference between this 9200 Pro (http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=2LJN) and this one (http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=2QJ5)? All I can see is that the latter has 2 VGA inputs and is less than half the price.

If I did get that, I would probably get some more RAM as well. Am I right in thinking that the processor should be OK with that, or will it become a problem?

Asher
18-11-2003, 23:09:51
There are 3 types of 9200s:

From slowest to fastest:
9200SE
9200
9200 Pro

The first one you linked to was the 9600 pro, the second one was a 9200SE.

The 9200SE has a 64-bit memory bus, the 9200 and 9200 Pro have a 128-bit memory bus (twice as fast). They also have progressively higher core and memory clock rates, so they're quite a bit faster.

One thing to keep in mind is that the 9200 is at the end of its life now. It's a DirectX 8 card (rebaged 8500 really). The 9600SE, 9600, 9600Pro, 9600XT, 9800, 9800Pro, and 9800XT are all DirectX 9 cards and support newer features of just about everything.

Stay away from all of the "SE" variants though (9200SE, 9600SE) -- they're all crippled with the 64-bit memory bus.

And your processor should be okay with more RAM. :)

Asher
18-11-2003, 23:17:25
Brief rundown:

DirectX 8 cards
9200SE - 4 pipes, 64-bit memory, 200MHz core, 328MHz memory
9200 - 4 pipes, 128-bit memory, 250MHz core, 400MHz memory
9200 Pro - 4 pipes, 128-bit memory, 275MHz core, 550MHz memory

DirectX 9 cards
9600SE - 4 pipes, 64-bit memory, 325MHz core, 400MHz memory
9600 - 4 pipes, 128-bit memory, 325MHz core, 400MHz memory
9600 Pro - 4 pipes, 128-bit memory, 400MHz core, 600MHz memory
9600 XT - 4 pipes, 128-bit memory, 500MHz core, 600MHz memory

9800 - 8 pipes, 256-bit memory, 325MHz core, 580MHz memory
9800 Pro - 8 pipes, 256-bit memory, 380MHz core, 680MHz memory
9800 XT - 8 pipes, 256-bit memory, 412MHz core, 720MHz memory (256MB)

Asher
18-11-2003, 23:18:32
Frankly the 9600 or 9600 Pro would be your best bet -- substantially faster than any 9200 and supports DirectX 9 fully, and very aggressively priced for what you get.

Sean
18-11-2003, 23:19:04
Hmm. I think I was looking at the wrong tab there with the second one :o

Thanks for that, it’s been a great help.

Sean
18-11-2003, 23:20:40
So a 9600 is better than a 9200 Pro, to be clear?

Asher
18-11-2003, 23:22:22
Absolutely.

The order in the list I had is from slowest to fastest (from top to bottom).

The 9600 and 9800 are based on the totally new R300 (DX9) core, the 9200 is based on the obsolete R200 (DX8) core. The card you have right now is based on the R100 (DX7) core.

Asher
18-11-2003, 23:25:28
Though with all of this being said, by far your biggest bottleneck is your Athlon 1GHz.

In fact, that may negate any additional performance from a 9600 compared to a 9200 since the CPU couldn't provide the data fast enough.

Sean
18-11-2003, 23:30:18
But if I get a 9200 and then upgrade the processor, I will have to update the graphics card as well. If I get the 9600 then that is, well, not future-proof, but less obsolete.

Asher
18-11-2003, 23:33:30
True.