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Beta1
27-10-2003, 10:46:50
My PC is beginning to feel the strain.

I'm currently running a 1ghz athlon with 448Mb ram (PC100) and a GF4 ti4200 and have been with out problems for a couple of years. Games seem to have finally caught me up so its time to upgrade. I think the GF4 should do me for another year or so but the processor and definately the ram have to go so I need a new mobo and CPU.

I'm not looking to go up to ludicrous speed here but I think its time to hit the 2-3ghz range judging by the processor prices.

www.overclockers.co.uk have given me a few ideas

I'm currently looking at a AMD Athlon "Barton" XP2500+ 333FSB (Socket A) CPU for about 60 quid. but need some advice as to which mobo to match it with. I would like to keep my current HDs which are uDMA so no boards with SATA only. I'm probably looking to spend around 250-350 quid total and I'm going to need to buy new memory and possible a new psu/case....

Beta1
27-10-2003, 11:00:43
also has anyone any experience with the shuttle pc cases?

zmama
27-10-2003, 15:17:06
ASUS A7N8X, NFORCE-2 CHIPSET, Version 2.0 Now Support 400Mhz Barton CPU... about $88

Or the one I have:
Epox EP-8RDA3+ Socket A/nForce2/FSB 400/8X AGP/A&L/ATX mboard MFN EP-8RDA3+... about $95

Beta1
27-10-2003, 15:32:33
found this one on the same site.

Asus A7N8X-X nForce2 (Socket A) Motherboard (MB-028-AS)
for 55 quid

Theres also

Asus A7N8X-VM nForce2 (Socket A) Micro ATX Motherboard (MB-032-AS)

for slightly more but that one has the onboard GF4 mx which I dont need. The first board also has 2 more PCI ports and looks to have more space between the ram slots and the AGP slot. I've heard of a few problems where the chunkier GF cards wont fit do to a physical clash with another component...

Just as another question what PSU do I need? from what I remember from last time I have a 300 watt psu that was approved for athlons.

zmama
27-10-2003, 16:09:32
I'd say that was okay...but a 400watt would be better especially since you said HDs not HD.
I like Antec for cases and psus...sometimes you can get a good deal if you buy them together

Beta1
27-10-2003, 16:18:31
Yeah I currently have 2 HDs a smaller 6gb one which I just have windows on and a 40Gb one for everything else. + a DVD drive and a CDR. It seems to be stable enough at the moment but if the new mobo/processor draws more power it might keel over.

zmama
27-10-2003, 16:23:47
And if you do put a new graphics card in there in the near future, you'll want it.

Sir Penguin
27-10-2003, 22:09:34
I have the A7N8X Deluxe, and it's awesome. I've got it running with an AthlonXP 2500+, two hard drives, a GF4 Ti4200, and a CDRW on a 350W Antec PS in an Antec case. The power supply usually comes with the case, and a good power supply will almost always come with a good case.

I don't have any experience with Shuttle cases, but I've read somewhere that they're crap. That could easily be somebody's prejudices against mini-PCs. I guess the primary argument against them is airflow issues.

SP

Sir Penguin
27-10-2003, 22:09:56
Oh, and that they're ugly.

SP

Deacon
28-10-2003, 21:06:38
Cooling is a big reason. I don't see the wisdom of running an expensive HD at or near maximum acceptable ambient temperature. I don't like the lack of drive bays or expansion slots either. I suppose that Firewire and USB help things. I'd only get a small form factor PC out of curiousity, and then I'd get a Morex mini-ITX case instead of a Shuttle X-PC.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
28-10-2003, 22:42:25
Shuttle is in the process of making their Mini-PC cases look much nicer, and be rather easier to monkey around in. Some of the competitors, however, are dead ugly, and are made of (apparently) plastic, like they were some kind of cheap stereo. Nasty.