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fp
20-08-2003, 21:22:34
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=52955

Some selected quotes for the link-averse:


The thing that's most striking about Winning Eleven 7, beyond the routine menu paintjob, is the change to the way the ball moves. Whereas FIFA persists with its Teflon-coated pitches derived from NHL's ice rink tech, WE7 replicates the harsh reality of a normal playing surface, with bobbles, awkward bounces and irregular ball movement in many areas of the pitch. Of course playing surfaces vary, but as a result of the changes, running and passing quickly is not nearly as automatic as it was. Possession has become the key to success, and it's now more or less impossible to simply tear forward from a kick-off and regroup at the corner flag. Short of Michael Owen's post-jarring effort against the Romanians in '98, that simply never happens, and WE7 reflects that. What's more, the ball can even bobble just as you're about to sock it goalbound, leading to some embarrassing misses.

Indeed, control of the ball and what you can do with it has been expanded considerably. Players react a little quicker to tweaks and will dive in at a split-second's notice to scoop the ball away from a lunging defender if instructed. The bouncing ball also plays a much larger role in WE7, with players more adept at trapping it and even flicking it over their shoulder, and volleys - at last - properly implemented. A couple of spectacular efforts even showed us how deflections have improved (on one occasion, a volley glanced off a Scottish defender's shoulder and wrong-footed the keeper on its way into the net) and how defenders react to loose balls by hoofing them clear, instead of performing a diving header, as often happened much to our disgust in previous editions.

With attacking as a unit now more crucial than ever, tweaks to the through ball system are also welcome, and it's now easier to curve the ball round a defender or lay it off successfully, although it's still quite possible to send the ball to completely the wrong player when another attacker seems wide open. Fortunately this time it's more likely that an attacker will be able to do something creative if he's on his wrong side - instead of just being good with one foot and rubbish with the other, right or left-sided players will attempt to play even necessarily wrong-footed shots with the preferred foot.

Lots of other interesting stuff in there too (including save-able action replays at any time!). So check it out!

Scabrous Birdseed
20-08-2003, 21:40:03
Couldn't you save before at any time? Only goals? 'Cause I remember this one involving Provost Harrison's goalkeeper...

fp
20-08-2003, 21:44:27
Yep, you could only save goal replays before. In fact the only replays you could even view were for goals and yellow/red cards.

Sean
20-08-2003, 21:48:04
Eh? You could see yellow/red cards, but I don’t remember being able to save them.

fp
20-08-2003, 21:50:30
I didn't say you could save them.

Sean
20-08-2003, 21:52:36
Well then you could also see near misses.

fp
20-08-2003, 21:53:45
I stand corrected on that. You're right of course. :)

King_Ghidra@home
21-08-2003, 06:51:47
oooohh i'm salivating now

gimme gimme gimme

fp
21-08-2003, 07:35:42
7th November is the release date for PES3 according to Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000A03NF/ref=cm_mp_wli_/026-1130209-9637213?coliid=I20KEXCCVLLWVC

Hopefully it won't be pushed back much further than that.

fp
21-08-2003, 07:40:58
64 club teams on offer

Please have Spurs. Please have Spurs. Please have Spurs.

They should dump the Hammers and Leeds now that they're shit and have sold all their good players anyway. And I'm tired of spending ages editing some cack French team to make them into Spurs.

The Master League now has 4 geographically distinct leagues. I wonder how they've divided that.... A south american league seems likely ... with 3 different European ones??

And i also like the sounds of the Shop system for unlocking secret things and the "Transfer engine", which sounds like it will make it much easier to fiddle about with the Club teams.

King_Ghidra
21-08-2003, 08:10:28
Originally posted by fp
And I'm tired of spending ages editing some cack French team to make them into Spurs.

The big problem with that is that if any of those players are internationals, you screw up the corresponding international team. Really pissed me off, because i wanted to edit fiorentina out but i would have screwed up a load of international teams

Sean
21-08-2003, 11:24:29
Ah, I have this all figured out. You copy the international players to one of the extra slot (there are loads, right?) then edit the club team. You won’t be able to edit the nationality or, bizzarely, goalkeeping kit, but you can change pretty much everything else about the club. Then, you take the freelance national team players and drop them back into the national side.

Putting players who are only in a national team into a club side (like Doni) is a pain, though.

Venom
21-08-2003, 12:08:18
Should FP be focusing on his free gam review, that bastard.

King_Ghidra
21-08-2003, 12:13:14
Nice idea Sean, cheers! :beer:

fp
21-08-2003, 12:40:05
Originally posted by Venom
Should FP be focusing on his free gam review, that bastard.

I'm doing that too.

So far the review is "This sucks". All I need to do now is pad it out with another 998 words and we'll be good to go.

Venom
21-08-2003, 12:47:24
Ooooh sneak preview. But you're not allowed to pan the game. Nav said so.

Sean
21-08-2003, 12:47:43
Try repeating ‘screw Flanders’.

Resource Consumer
21-08-2003, 13:19:28
Moll Flanders?

fp
21-08-2003, 13:59:14
Who hasn't screwed her?

Funkodrom
25-08-2003, 22:21:47
I can't even be arsed to change the player names etc. Doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the game enough to spend any time on it.

fp
15-09-2003, 13:36:37
Review from Amazon with some nice details on what we can expect from PES3 - note that Spurs appear to be in. :beer:
Shame I'll have probably moved to Korea by the time this is released.

Based on Winning Eleven 7, here are a few details on what to expect in the new game:-

Master league reforms.

40->64 teams.
The master league now has only European teams competing. By dividing into four leagues that make up Divison 1, you start from Divison 2 of each league. The main aim is to qualify to KCETíS version of the UEFA Champions League, the WEFA Champions League.

- The participating team who has become clear now

Participating team (58 / 64)

England (13)
Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leeds, West Ham, Aston Villa, Newcastle United, Blackburn Rovers, Everton, Fulham, Tottenham Hotspurs, Manchester City

Italy (11)
Juventus, Inter Milan,AC Milan, Lazio, Parma, Roma, Udinese, Chievo, Perugia, Brescia, Bologna

Spain (7)
Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Deportivo, Real Sociedad, Real Betis, Atletico Madrid

France (6)
Marseilles, Paris S.G., Bordeaux, Monaco, Lyon, Auxere

Germany (5)
Bayern Munich, Dortmund, Bayer Leverkusen, Hamburg SV, Hertha Berlin or Shalke04

Netherlands (3)
PSV, Ajax, Feynoord

Portugal (3)
Porto, Sporting Lisbon, Benfica

Scotland (2)
Rangers, Celtic

Turkey (2)
Galatasaray, Besiktas

Greece (2)
Olympiakos, Panathinaikos

Belgium (1)
Anderlecht

Czech Republic(1)
Sparta Prague

Russia (1)
Spartak Moscow

Ukraine (1)
Dynamo Kiev

It is guessed that 6 more teams are available from is Spain, Germany and France.

- Some of the Italian club teams names are now correct
- There is a player search now available

Motion

Operativity is those with change. Although there is sense of incongruity at first, it will get used gradually.
- When a right stick is turned, u know perform the Marseilles turn motion. (Only specific players are able to do this move)
- A manual pass is changed into pushing a right stick.
- Players supply water. There are also players who will have bandages due to injuries.
- Hair flutters according to a motion.
- AI strengthening.
- The referees now play advantage.
- The motion of off ball has been improved.
- The formations screen has now been simplified. Attack/defense consciousness, a setup in the many directions is possible.
- On the formation screen there is now a simple radar chart display to show the strengths and weaknesses of a player, with this split up into six different categories.
- Name change of each positions e.g. CH (Centre Half) is now CMF (Centre Midfield).

Production

- John KABIRA and Tetsuo Nishi provide us with on-the-spot phrases, which total up to around 1200.
- The Number of stadiums has now increased to 20 in all.
- Various elements added. (Change in a spectator number etc.)
- Additional stadium (6)
Dele Alpi, Stadio Olympico, Stamford bridge, Anfield, Sapporo dome & Nagai stadium

Edit

- Three new parameters have been added. These are play stability. GK technology & nimbleness. Furthermore, you can now give the kickers less favoured foot a rating.
- Parameter name change.
Speed -> top speed.
Stability -> condition stability.
- Face Morphing
Face editing is not face type selection.
It creates and combines for every part, such as eyes, nose and mouth.
Face alignments, such as height of a nose, are possible.

- It is possible to insert a club team player into the national team. However, it is not possible to change players around from club to club, or even edit positions in the nation teams

- The shorts number position can be edited (left or right etc.).

It all sounds like a great step in the right direction. At the moment there is no word on official licences, which would finally give the game the same selling power as a FIFA game.

PES 2 was amazing and I still play it every single day. If these game improves on that, they may just have to invent an Eighth day of the week!

Sean
15-09-2003, 13:39:59
Kabira is a legend.

And yay, Betis!

maroule
15-09-2003, 13:40:34
it's Auxerre
illiterate fucks
The Edge gives this game a glowing review

fp
15-09-2003, 13:43:30
Does anyone know what the "marseilles turn motion" might be?

Sean
15-09-2003, 13:46:37
It is possible to insert a club team player into the national team. However, it is not possible to change players around from club to club, or even edit positions in the nation teams
So as before then.

fp
15-09-2003, 13:54:45
Yes, but I believe they've actually made it easy to put club players into the national team so you don't have to bother with the rather complicated method you mentioned earlier in the thread.

Sean
15-09-2003, 13:56:59
No, that was for swapping club players. Putting a club player in a national team is easy.

Then, you take the freelance national team players and drop them back into the national side.

fp
15-09-2003, 14:05:43
:nervous:

fp
01-10-2003, 10:18:55
Good news everyone!

The release date for PES3 (which was 7th November last time I looked) has, according to Amazon, been changed to 17th October!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000A03NF/ref=cm_mp_wli_/202-6643908-5897426?coliid=I76N78M4DFO5O

King_Ghidra
01-10-2003, 10:29:59
Hurrah! There really isn't enough time in the world to play all the good games out there :cry:

Funkodrom
01-10-2003, 10:48:03
Oh, butt snivelling arse fuck. I guess I'll have to get my PS2 fixed.

Venom
01-10-2003, 12:18:51
The horror.

Funkodrom
01-10-2003, 12:34:15
I have to phone someone. :(

King_Ghidra
01-10-2003, 12:41:18
fuck that, be a real member of western society and throw it out and buy a new one

fp
08-10-2003, 15:03:05
It looks as though Pier-Luigi Collina will be on the front of the box, by the way. :lol:

King_Ghidra
09-10-2003, 09:45:22
yeah, just saw that :lol:

Damn i can't wait for this.

fp
09-10-2003, 09:50:05
Apparently players now have their names on the back of their shirts. That gets me curiously excited. I wonder if it will work for players you've created and named yourself.....

Also...
New animations- More individual celebrations (over 40),new styles of shots, players tend to use their stronger foot, players follow up their shots if goalkeepers parry.

I think this game will be the greatest thing ever. Unfortunately my mate who I used to play PES with all the time is living in Sheffield and my brother really really sucks at this game, so quality opponents (indeed, any fucking opponents) are pretty non-existent. As awesome as the single-player game is it doesn't come close to a few multi-player grudge matches!

King_Ghidra
09-10-2003, 10:51:07
do you live in london?

maybe we sould organise a tourney sometime after release. We have a few Reading-based players...

fp
09-10-2003, 10:53:04
I'm really close to Reading actually (live near Wallingford). 20 mins on train.

That's an idea with definite possibilities.

Funkodrom
09-10-2003, 11:03:27
Wallingford? There's a new guitar shop there that might be sponsoring us, we're heading up there on Saturday.

fp
09-10-2003, 11:05:01
I won't be here on Saturday. :(

What's the name of the shop?

King_Ghidra
09-10-2003, 11:44:39
Originally posted by fp
I'm really close to Reading actually (live near Wallingford). 20 mins on train.

That's an idea with definite possibilities.

Cool, we'll sort something out. Hell as you're that close you might as well come and meet the Reading crew, maybe a have a night out some time.

MattHiggs
09-10-2003, 11:46:34
stop wanking then

Funkodrom
09-10-2003, 11:49:20
Guitarheaven

http://www.guitarheaven.biz

fp
13-10-2003, 08:19:13
How did it go at Guitarheaven on Saturday?

Also, this game is out on Friday.

Funkodrom
13-10-2003, 08:20:16
I bought a guitar. :)

fp
13-10-2003, 08:28:31
Success!

Part of the sponsership or your own money?

King_Ghidra
13-10-2003, 08:30:05
Got mine on order from amazon, hopefully it will arrive on friday. I'm worried that it will be released on friday and i won't get it delivered until monday.

fp
13-10-2003, 08:32:22
I plan to preorder mine today. It should arrive on Friday or Saturday morning - Amazon are usually very good at 24 hour shipping (there's always a slight worry, though, especially about something as important as this...).

Funkodrom
13-10-2003, 08:45:53
My own money.

Still no PS2 to play this on. Oh well.

fp
16-10-2003, 17:26:14
Just received this...

We thought you would like to know that the following item has been
sent to:

Stuart Goodwin
xxx
xxx
xxx

using Royal Mail (1 business day).

Your order #026-7558210-7414867 (received 15 October 2003, 10:11 BST)
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Ordered Title Price Dispatched Subtotal
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1 Pro Evolution Soccer 3 (PS2) 29.99 GBP 1 29.99 GBP
Sold by Amazon International Sales, Inc.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Subtotal Including VAT: 29.99 GBP
Delivery Charges Including VAT: 1.99 GBP
Total Including VAT: 31.98 GBP
VAT 17.50 GBP%: 4.77 GBP

This completes your order.


:beer:

If they've shipped it now I may very well get it tomorrow morning, or at the very latest Saturday morning! Yes!

King_Ghidra@home
16-10-2003, 20:19:53
I had to get a new version of my debit card recently and it's screwed up my order. So i've cancelled it and i'll be going down the shops tomorrow instead.

What a shame i've got this boring trip to rotterdam on this weekend and won't be able to play it ;)

fp
17-10-2003, 08:18:44
It arrived this morning. :beer:

Haven't had a chance to load it up yet, but being the total geek that I am I've brought the manual to work with me so I can flick through it in my lunch hour. :D

King_Ghidra
17-10-2003, 08:21:31
:lol: I can sympathise with that level of excitement.

Funkodrom
17-10-2003, 08:36:05
I wish I could be arsed to fix my PS2, I'll have to come round yours to play it.

King_Ghidra
17-10-2003, 08:47:56
by all means

Funkodrom
17-10-2003, 09:07:43
I'm torn between:

Excellent.

and

I love it when a plan comes together.

Venom
17-10-2003, 12:27:33
How about "I love it when an excellent plan comes together."

Funkodrom
17-10-2003, 12:34:47
What an incredible smell you've discovered.

Venom
17-10-2003, 23:45:43
Just be sure to mix accents appropriately, you nerf herder.

zmama
18-10-2003, 12:16:09
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Oh, butt snivelling arse fuck. I guess I'll have to get my PS2 fixed.


Now, I know you won't, but it is possible to fix it yourself! Looks pretty easy.

http://www.techtv.com/xplay/features/story/0,24330,3516150,00.html

Funkodrom
20-10-2003, 09:18:29
I'm not sure whether that's the same problem. It plays CDs and DVDs fine, just struggles with game disks...

King_Ghidra
21-10-2003, 15:27:48
hmm no sign of fp or me since release :D

THIS GAME IS TEH BEST GAME EVER!!!111!!1

Bigger, prettier, harder, and more like real football than ever before

I think i'm in love :love:

Funkodrom
21-10-2003, 15:33:50
Cool.

Funkodrom
01-12-2003, 11:20:26
Playing PES 3 has inspired me to fix my PS2. Going to try this repair sometime...