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Qweeg
04-07-2003, 11:27:32
The Secret Rulers of the World by John Pilger, actually can you believe I may be remembering the title wrong! I'm halfway through it and haven't had time to glance at the cover again, nor eat or use the loo. I'm only kidding, it's not that good, I've been eating.

It's one scary book though, very disturbing and sad, especially the Indonesia and Iraq sections.

Darkstar
05-07-2003, 10:02:55
Well, if you are eating, eventually you will go to the loo as well..

BigGameHunter
05-07-2003, 20:01:38
I can't decide if I want to read "Sentimental Education" by Flaubert or "Bend Sinister" by Nabakov...I'm afraid of both of them giving me a brain tumor.
Which should I read?

Darkstar
06-07-2003, 04:34:16
Sounds like you don't want to read them. So don't bother reading them then.

Qweeg
06-07-2003, 15:14:47
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
I can't decide if I want to read "Sentimental Education" by Flaubert or "Bend Sinister" by Nabakov...I'm afraid of both of them giving me a brain tumor.
Which should I read?

What are they about, synopsis?

By the way it's the New Rulers of the World by J. Pilger.

maroule@home
06-07-2003, 15:36:44
BGH, none
go for the 'memories of Hadrien' by M. Yourcenar
(Yourcenar puts herself in the shoes of roman emperor Hadrien and writes his memories)
IMO best French novel of the last century (esp if you like History)
go ahead, take my advice, you'll thank me later

King_Ghidra@home
06-07-2003, 16:59:27
bend sinister is pretty crap iirc

BigGameHunter
06-07-2003, 21:57:12
Yeah...Nabakov is a very tough read, usually...I was a big fan in college, but haven't read much lately (Qweeg--I don't know about Bend Sinister, but SE is about a poor French guy's obsession/unrequited love for some married chick...typical Romantic fare for the era...but I do like his descriptions.)
Hmmm...might do that, Maroule...hopefully local and in English...

Maybe I'll just read Wolfe's Executioner series again...anyone who hasn't really is missing something special.

King_Ghidra@home
07-07-2003, 06:44:26
agree about wolfe, one of the best sets of books i ever read

i only have a problem with bend sinister not nabokov generally - lolita is a masterpiece, bend sinister is a kind of crap 1984

BigGameHunter
07-07-2003, 08:17:02
I took a summer seminar with some wine soaked washed up professor and it was great--good study of the books and easy tests plus fun papers.
He was a really fascinating person, which made his books more intriguing to me. Supposedly, his books are riddled with word codes and games and god knows what else...but I never really caught any.

I've started Flaubert but the protagonist is just a bit flouncy for my tastes--ordering around his servant like an ass, etc...might not make it through the whole book.

maroule
07-07-2003, 08:22:26
Originally posted by BigGameHunter

Hmmm...might do that, Maroule...hopefully local and in English...




here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0374503486/qid=1057566244/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-0578296-9486258)

King_Ghidra
07-07-2003, 08:47:32
Originally posted by BigGameHunter

He was a really fascinating person, which made his books more intriguing to me. Supposedly, his books are riddled with word codes and games and god knows what else...but I never really caught any.

I think Pale Fire is the one which is supposed to have the most of this kind of stuff in it. Never read it but i will.

What's really scary is that english is the guy's second language. When i read lolita as a callow 18 yr old i had to have a dictionary with me, every page had a word on i'd never heard of - perineum being the one that always sticks in my head :D

maroule
07-07-2003, 09:00:14
Nabokov was equally fluent in english and French (he translated lolita in french himself IMO and his use of the langage is exquisite there as well). He lived in Paris for a while and finished in life in Montreux (suisse romande)

BigGameHunter
07-07-2003, 14:53:25
And don't forget he was a butterfly collector who even found an unknown species or two...he actually lived in the small college town in Southern Oregon I went to school in one summer...small world.

OK Maroule...I'll check it out.

maroule
07-07-2003, 15:20:06
a word of warning, it's really set in the roman empire, so you have to like that period

King_Ghidra
07-07-2003, 15:39:19
like the master and margarita, my favourite bits of that were the ones with pontius pilate, not the ones set in modern day russia

BigGameHunter
07-07-2003, 16:28:22
I don't know...history is pretty boring stuff.

maroule@home
07-07-2003, 17:51:31
oh


ok


don't read it then

maroule@home
07-07-2003, 18:08:59
KG, do read it
there are a lot of insightful thoughts about life in general, can't hurt you in your present state of mind

Scabrous Birdseed
07-07-2003, 21:58:51
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
like the master and margarita, my favourite bits of that were the ones with pontius pilate, not the ones set in modern day russia

I believe those were (more or less) parts of a previous Bulgakov novel, with the more satiric of the modern sequences a cruel but failr response to the treatment it recieved by the bullheaded and immensely self-important Soviet literary establishment. Although of course both these inclusions brought another level to the novel and are integral to the central narrative and blah blah blah.

So, if you want a straight historical novel you might go for that. Although it's probably not even available in English. Er.

Qweeg
08-07-2003, 15:53:46
you people have ruined my thread, get your own thread, bastards.

BigGameHunter
08-07-2003, 16:06:27
Ha ha...your thread is the corpse we lay our eggs in!

I've decided to read both books.