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Sir Penguin
18-06-2003, 05:30:00
OK, they're not actually doing that yet. And they probably won't do it. But Sen. Orrin Hatch (who heads a big committee) thinks it would be a good idea to destroy the computers of anybody caught sharing copyrighted material illegally. That'll show them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6241-2003Jun17.html

Darkstar
18-06-2003, 06:23:08
He's a fuckwit. Are you actually worried about this?

Sir Penguin
18-06-2003, 06:29:04
Not in the least.

SP

TAZ
18-06-2003, 08:24:43
He is in canada after all...

Deacon
18-06-2003, 13:55:46
Music companies are blaming the Internet for their own failure to produce a compelling product. Luckily, the back catalog is filled with good works, and they're cheaper then the new stuff, though not by much.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
18-06-2003, 18:23:30
I always thought Utah sounded like a brand of tires for cars.

And I'll trump Hatch here. I think that anyone caught either doing something illegal or looking like they might should be publically decapitated. After a few thousand of those, people will start to get the message.

Darkstar
18-06-2003, 22:18:57
This was not a news item, SP. Linus leaving Transmeta and going to work for Open Source Development Lab would make an ok (but boring) news item. The release of the new stable Linux kernal would have. But this?

I didn't think we had a Tech news section yet though. Didn't Nav say he wasn't putting it in until there was some Technical Articles?

Sir Penguin
18-06-2003, 22:33:05
What crawled up your ass? It's a point of interest, I posted it, deal with it.

SP

Darkstar
18-06-2003, 22:59:03
Nothing. But it isn't even a happening. It's got zero support and isn't going to happen. Just like legalizing prostitution and marijuana and all forms of gambling, or outlawing tobacco and alcohol, or outlawing all languages other then American English, or creating death camps and putting everyone but Americans, Canadians, and Mexicans into them.

Congress says lots of stupid stuff. But just cause one guy says 'Hey, here's an idea...', it don't make it news. News is something that happened. Not something you just found interesting. A girl talking to you isn't news to the geek world. And neither is this. How about HP leaking the specs of the new AMD 64 bit CPU? That's news. An idiot opened his mouth today, and someone decided to repeat it, is not news.

Sir Penguin
18-06-2003, 23:04:39
Why are you whining about it? It's not a big deal.

SP

Sir Penguin
18-06-2003, 23:10:59
I'd like to know how he thought they could destroy computers remotely. Open and close the CD carriage until it melts all over everything else?

SP

Deacon
18-06-2003, 23:17:23
CD shards at 10000RPM should do it. Or maybe an electrical surge from the power company to a specific outlet in a specific house. :)

http://lwn.net/Articles/36635/
Torvalds joins OSDL.

http://www.kernel.org/
Linux 2.4.21 has been released.

Sir Penguin
18-06-2003, 23:20:24
So Darkstar, do you want kernel updates in the news from now on? ;)

SP

Sean
18-06-2003, 23:38:03
Damnit, I agree with Darkstar. This isn’t anything approaching news.

(Besides, I get Ars Technica in Trillian.)

Sir Penguin
18-06-2003, 23:42:16
Then who can complain, if it brought together Darkstar and Sean in full agreement? I honestly don't see what the problem is, or why people weren't complaining about Gollum on MTV, or Free X of the Week, etc.

SP

Asher
18-06-2003, 23:44:53
Darkstar, GET IN MY BELALAY!

Debaser
18-06-2003, 23:54:46
I don't see what the problem is. Nobody expects Counterglow to rival CNN for news content. I thought the article was interesting, and it was also up to date, and (potentially) relevant to many posters here.

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
19-06-2003, 00:02:03
We all had a good laugh at Hatch here in the tech center, I can tell you! So while it may not be news, it was an amusing story.

And Darkstar, why wouldn't you put Canadians in the death camps?

Sir Penguin
19-06-2003, 00:05:30
Do you have any idea how many diseases we carry? They'd be festering sores on the face of America in no time (rather than just one giant festering sore on America's forehead).

SP

ozscott75
19-06-2003, 05:45:51
OMG! Someone posted crap at CG!

Is that the end of creation I hear coming?

Sean
19-06-2003, 13:17:45
Originally posted by Debaser
I don't see what the problem is. Nobody expects Counterglow to rival CNN for news content. I thought the article was interesting, and it was also up to date, and (potentially) relevant to many posters here.
What? How was it relevant?

Funkodrom
19-06-2003, 13:37:30
Who cares! It was quite funny and better than having no news on the front page.

Debaser
19-06-2003, 13:57:23
Originally posted by Sean
What? How was it relevant?

I don't mean it was life changing or anything, just of interest (certainly to me, and I'd image at least a few others). What's the big deal anyway?

Sean
19-06-2003, 14:02:40
What big deal? I have posted 22 words in this thread before this post.

Something is not relevant just because it is of casual interest.

MDA
19-06-2003, 17:42:37
Originally posted by Darkstar
He's a fuckwit. Are you actually worried about this?


I, for one, feel threatened. Hatch seems to be gunning for my job.

Darkstar
19-06-2003, 21:14:24
It wasn't worth news until at least the bill was passed and sent to the other house, to get shot down out of hand there.

Every year, there's all kind of crap like this floated about. He's already backed off stating that we shouldn't actually put self destruct circuits into all machines, so RIAA and copyright holders in general (including him) will just have settle for complete low level reformatting of your hard drives.

It just wasn't news, just political gossip and malarky. It would be like putting the bit of gossip about Mary Bono to become the next head of the RIAA on the front page as Technical news. Wrong category, and not even news, as it isn't something that has really happened, just gossip.

For INTERESTING gossip, we just start a thread.

And I wouldn't mind if people put in technical happenings up for technical news. But political BS certainly isn't worthy of the Technical section. MAYBE the Music section, since it's meant to allow him to fry all you Kazaa users who he thinks MAY have sucked down an unpaid for copy of one of his songs... ;)

Understand the difference? The only 'Technical' bit involved is they want to make your computer explode (or at least, format the hard drive), about an issue that has to deal with pirates and theives and leeches (from the viewpoint of Congress and their RIAA lobbyists). You could make an ARTICLE of how the RIAA is trying to use technology to be able to punish and vandalise people, and throw in all the other proposals that Congressianals have put forth, like requiring everyone in the world to get a chip implanted in their brain that would directly stimulate all the *PAIN* centers and receptors every time you even think about access a P2P network (cause only thieves and other unlawful people up to unlawful purposes would ever use those), and that stimulates all your *PLEASURE* centers and receptors whenever you *BUY* something.

It's just not news until it is an actual bill that has gotten by at least ONE of the houses. Then, if it's something scary (like revoking everyone but government employee's right to vote), then you raise the banner and rally the troops to call up their Congressionals to vote against it, and slap down the sponsors... ;)

Seriously, Congressionals are always making stupid statements about making the "leeches" pay in actual pounds of flesh for "stealing" music, movies, and other things. That's what the RIAA pays them for. They are constantly making equally stupid, if not even dumber statements, about other things. Such as the Senators who are 'owned' by Big Tobacco that claim there is no such thing as a harmful cigarette, and try to get all restrictions against tobacco rescinded and outlaw being able to pursue any form of lawsuits against them until the end of time. And I'd rather not have every stupid proposal or utterance of a politico put up as 'News'. Or will never have any real news... they are always doing it. From Janet Reno stating the FBI and CIA are trying to frame her, to Al Gore suggesting we use all the illegal immigrants to make a human tower to reach the moon economically, it might be interesting, but it isn't news, and isn't related to this particular forum.

We need the Mexicans for the basic labor, and the Canadians for Hockey. And as a nice place for the yankees to be able to go to for vacations and so not bother the rest of the nation. Why else do you think they'd be spared?

Sir Penguin
19-06-2003, 21:21:42
OK, I didn't read that. I don't care. It's not important.

SP

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
19-06-2003, 21:26:17
It seems to me to be more appropriate that items I have seen posted there in the past, and I don't remember any brouhaha about those ones.

Also, it's far more "newsworthy" that the Free Game of the Week either, yet they're tolerated without anyone batting an eyelid.

It was, to paraphrase DS, technically-related political malarky for the front page that gets updates once a day. I thought it was amusing in that "Gee, aren't politicians boneheads when it comes to technology" - sure, we all KNOW that, just like we know what boneheads people are in general, but we still go read the Darwin Awards.

At least SP was generating content for the site :) What were you all doing? Hmm? :D

Nav
19-06-2003, 21:30:42
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
At least SP was generating content for the site You finally proved it, SP is a bot! :D

Yeah and I'm still waiting on those technical articles. ;)

Darkstar
19-06-2003, 21:42:03
It was politics, not technical. And bad politics at that. I'd rather we nip this covering politico statemest as news features in the bud.

SP, if you aren't going to read the answers to your questions, then stop asking questions.

Although Sean agreeing with me made me double check my logic. ;)

Yeah, we've had a lot of crap news pieces put up (and I've put up more then my share). However, it isn't very difficult to keep Technical on subject. It's *geek talk and geek news*, right? Will that wasn't geek talk. Not even close. For proof, CNN and FoxNews covered it. That shows it was filler. And several of the Geek News covered the fact that CNN and FoxNews covered it.

What's good geek news? 1 out of every 4 purchases of Computers or Software is done online now. 1 out of 8 purchases of books is done online now. The Department of Defense has stated that all new systems to be purchased or used must be IPv6 compliant and ready.

If SP is interested in politics, then put up a political section. But someone wanting to make your computer explode and maim you for life because you downloaded a copy of one of their songs or The Matrix Reloaded, it isn't geek news. That's how it's been since the RIAA has discovered this thing called the Internet...

BigGameHunter
19-06-2003, 22:10:31
Why are you taking a big steaming dump on someone for posting something not "strictly technical" here?
Do CG rules of asininity (yes, I made that up) not apply to this forum?

Next: "When Geeks Attack!!!"

BigGameHunter
19-06-2003, 22:22:06
And another thing, that article was perfectly acceptable and interesting to someone like myself, who is in the "Geek Lite" stage of Geek development (and not likely to advance much). I can format a drive. I can do basic graphics work. I can burn a disc and swap files. I can even install added memory to my computer (that was totally thrilling for me, by the way)!
But it's true, I often come here and hide among the page breaks and sometimes behind the the quick post box, peeking around corners and whistfully yearning that I could "play with the big kids".
There are a lot of different levels of knowledge, ideas and expertise. I'm sure there are degrees and schools of study out there that focus exclusively on the politics of technology--people with advanced experience in fields of their own.
We know it is a ridiculous proposition, but the proposal itself is valid and saliant because of things like the Patriot Act, etc, which strive to make such fantasies a frightening reality.

From my take on things, SP is at the very least a very promising Junior Geek who may some day become a Jedi Master Geek.
If this is the sort of mentoring he's to expect, he might as well go join the football team, 'cause there's a lot of belittling and quantifying and qualifying in that realm too!

Get off the guy already...

Darkstar
19-06-2003, 22:45:52
:rolleyes:

Damn, SP is a serious geekoid already. Probably a better geekoid (that means, more knowledgable) then myself in most geeky matters. And I like our Artic Knight.

However, I take issue with posting a bit of fluff about an RIAA stooge making comments being 'GEEK' news. It isn't. Political, yes. Music even, but not Geek.

Geeks aren't supposed to have any social skills. A flame from a friend is just a show of brotherly love. So flaming me isn't anything but your pledge of love and continued support for me, in this forum. ;) Go ahead. Pledge your love and support some more. I don't mind...

SP should be able to come up with a bit more technically relevant, technically newsworthy pieces then this fluff. After all, for interesting bits, he could have done a newspiece on the Adult Video Awards using the new Streaming Video formats to share the awards with those that couldn't attend in person. Surely, that would be of more interest to the Geekly... Porn and Tech, all together... Of course, in the future, our little bird can just cover how they only use 3 copy-protection schemes on Porn DVDs, and are talking about combining them all into one, easy to decrypt and then boost to Kazaa, standard... would that be interesting to you? Copyrights, piracy, porn. More 'Lite Geek' subjects of interest...

Of course, he could put in a newspiece on how a few of the Porn Gals are banding together to form a new company, how their hiring for all positions, and how they are looking for a few good techs to maintain their web presense and e-store. Porn, and jobs opportunities with porn actresses. That's a big, big interest for many geekoids.

So, let's discuss this... what the hell is real news and what the hell is garbage that we shouldn't waste on our front page? We can stretch ANYTHING into being of interest to geeks. Like the nudes photos of certain Star Trek and Star Wars actresses on the Web to how people are circumventing snuff film restrictions, and how you other geeks can do that to, and how to frame your neighbor and kill your Mother In Law...

So, is Technical our new garbage heap for whatever a news poster thinks might be of interest to someone that is using some form of computer to access CounterGlow? Just the way you access CG means everything can be of 'Geek' interest after all...

Sean
19-06-2003, 23:45:21
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
Also, it's far more "newsworthy" that the Free Game of the Week either, yet they're tolerated without anyone batting an eyelid.
Free Game of the Week is a great feature. It’s not news as such, but it is interesting and relevant.

Sir Penguin
20-06-2003, 00:03:58
DS: I read enough to get the gist of the answer (that is, the first sentence... and maybe some of the stuff where "SP" appeared... ). I know what you're talking about with regard to politics vs. tech news, and I thought about that before I posted it. I seriously considered not posting it, but the title sounded newsey, and I thought it might hold some interest for people who aren't into heavy-duty tech stuff. Anyway, it's not worth arguing over.

Except to say that it would fit even less in the Music forum; on some level, this is about a social issue dealing with the freedom of use of computers and networks, and what rights IP holders have to protect their copyright. Sure, it's ridiculous, but what's wrong with talking about the ridiculous when it has a basis in reality?

SP

Mightytree
20-06-2003, 00:05:25
This discussion is ridiculous.

Does anybody really care?

Why exactly does it matter what kinds of 'news' get posted? What are we supposed to do, DS ... impose rules on what's worthy of being news and what not?

Do we care?

Are we Poly?

Do we have broomsticks up our asses?

Jeez. :rolleyes:

Sir Penguin
20-06-2003, 00:09:02
I can't handle a broomstick. I use a toilet plunger.

SP

Mightytree
20-06-2003, 00:15:39
Originally posted by Sir Penguin
I can't handle a broomstick.

So you've tried one?

ozscott75
20-06-2003, 01:26:55
Who hasn't. Be honest now. Debaser started a new trend in honesty, I think it's time we all followed.

Sir Penguin
20-06-2003, 02:15:11
Well, I tried to try one.

SP

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
20-06-2003, 03:30:07
Originally posted by Sean
Free Game of the Week is a great feature. It’s not news as such, but it is interesting and relevant.

Hell yes. I didn't mean to infer that they weren't, sorry. But they're not news, is the point I was making.

Kudos to Scabby for taking all the time to do that in the first place, and then stick with it when people like me say it's not newsworthy :)

And Slashdot reported it, so it's got to have a little geek about it.

BigGameHunter
20-06-2003, 06:20:23
I don't think we're quite to the love stage, DS.
I love you like a broomstick, man.

Sir Penguin
20-06-2003, 06:26:42
Originally posted by Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
And Slashdot reported it, so it's got to have a little geek about it.

That report had 1343 little geeks hanging about it.

Situation update: Hatch's website uses pirated software (http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html). To be fair, he did say that only the people who pirated music, not software, should have their computers destroyed.

SP

BigGameHunter
20-06-2003, 14:46:10
I love it when politicos wander into minefields...I'd love it even better if they had to pay some sort of price, however symbolic. If he were a man, he'd go on tv and destroy his computer with a steamroller.

MDA
20-06-2003, 14:55:01
Damn all of you useless geek bastards for having different opinions. I love you all.:love:

Deacon
21-06-2003, 05:29:39
This thread could be used as an entropy source.

Darkstar
23-06-2003, 22:27:25
Hey, Hatch's buddies in Congress have just proposed a new bill that makes the FBI responsible for patrolling all P2P networks, making all P2P networks broadcast a banner ad, before and after every download, that alerts the sender and reciever that copying a copyrighted work is a federal offense, filtering all P2P activity THROUGH the FBI, RIAA, and your ISP's databases on all copy-protected, slanderous/liable, trademarked, National Security, and embarassing to Those In Power for constant monitoring. Should anyone EVER break a law or guideline (or mention doing so), an Alert is broadcasted, and a crack FBI Assassination Squad is dispatched to your computer's location, and all law breakers (which includes everyone found at that location that is not an elected official, government employee on the job, or not an RIAA member) shot dead, 2 shots to the back of the head. No rights, no trial, just government sponsored instant executions of those that are possibly doing some illegal copying of a song or talking about it...

That's why this kind of crap is not news. Do you THINK that proposed bill is going to happen? No way. But Hatch supports it this latest proprosal as well... along with all the other RIAA bought politicos. Luckily, they aren't enough people on the RIAA payroll to be a serious threat in this radicalism. However, they do manage to slip in riders on other bills that specifically legislate that you do not get fair use of DVD copyrighted material in the same fashion as you get VCR, etc. That isn't 'extreme', so it passes and noone even raises a eyebrow at it in the media so the masses will not learn that they have the legal ability to do something they think, as a majority, they can or should be able to do.

Now, I agree it's worth bringing to people's attention. It's good for people to be aware that certain lobbyists are trying to get our politicos (not just American legislature members) to stop people from being able to do what they want or think they should be able to do so, and to monitor everything that goes on. Not to make sure you are safe from terrorists and national enemies, but to make sure that Big Corporations get every possible cent they can.

BigGameHunter
23-06-2003, 23:28:36
Technocracy is coming to mind...god...maybe I'm really the Unibomber and what'shisbeard was wrongly accused?!?

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
24-06-2003, 00:18:22
Quick Darkstar! Post that to the front page!

MDA
24-06-2003, 21:20:01
I shall now attempt to kill this thread by posting some relevant lyrics. If this doesn't work, I may have to post the whole song :gasmaske:

Who’s watching]
[Tell me who’s watching]
[Who’s watching me]

I’m just an average man with an average life
I work from 9 to 5, hey, hell I pay the price
All I want is to be left alone in my average home
But why do I always feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone and

I always feel like somebody’s watchin’ me
And I have no privacy
Oh, oh, oh, I always feel like somebody’s watchin’ me
Tell me is it just a dream


I shall now leave forever.

BigGameHunter
24-06-2003, 21:37:39
Is that Michael Jackson?