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Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 13:55:04
Now that the format is set (in record time!) we need participants and volunteers for the project.

In case you've missed it, here's the format:

1. Each participant submits 2 tracks. Theme is one from the heart, one for the feet. In other words one track that means something to you emotionally, one that makes you want to dance (addendum: or drive really fast on a racecourse).
2. There is no time limit but don't be a dick about it. If you pick two 30 minute tracks just because you can we'll call you names and stuff.
3. Clearly state which track is the "feet" track and which is the "heart" track.

In addition, the usual rules (don't reveal artists/song titles, etc.) of course apply.

We need one compilation volunteer and two review collection volunteers, plus up to around twelve or thirteen participants (based on 6-minute tracks each). I'm not sure how exactly we're going to make sure the CDs don't overflow, but that's the compiler's headache.

I sign up to be a participant, would normally compile but not when I live in Sweden which I will by the time this gets rolling.

Funkodrom
16-05-2003, 13:58:34
I will compile a review and I'll also do the within Reading collection of tracks sending and distribution of finished CD as before (but better this time!).

I'd also like to participate.

My tracks will both probably be under 6 minutes.

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 14:01:24
But then Sean will submit 18-minute tracks and Provost Harrison the 14-minute The Decline EP by NOFX.

Eklektikos
16-05-2003, 14:05:33
I'd like to participate too

The Shaker
16-05-2003, 14:21:15
I don't mind compiling the thing. (a la sean last time)

I'd quite like a go as well

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 14:29:14
I'm up for this. :cute:

Debaser
16-05-2003, 14:38:43
I'll compile the other set of reviews. (presuming we are just doing two this time?)

Perhaps we should set a limit of, like, 10 contributors or something just to be on the safe side?

Guy
16-05-2003, 14:41:09
Trans-Atlantic compiling is probably not a good idea, but I will volunteer to put reviews together.

I would like to participate, but will take reviewer-only status if opening up my slot means that someone who hasn't had a chance to submit yet can get in.

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 14:43:10
I think we should be able to manage 12...

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 14:44:54
12x6 is only 72, and I can't imagine everyone submitting 6-minute tracks...

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 14:48:28
I think a lot of people will take the opportunity to submit long tracks they like. I certainly will, although I was going to anyway.

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 14:50:37
No time limit doesn't mean you deliberately have to submit some ludicrous pretentious 10-minute shit.

Debaser
16-05-2003, 14:56:07
Remember these are supposed to be songs that mean something to you, so in you will be expected to justify their inclusion in your little summary bit at the end of the review.

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 14:58:49
Will be interesting to see what those who take a colder, analytical approach to their music come up with...

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 14:59:14
Neither track is 10-minute, pretentious or ludicruous. Like I said, I was planning to do two six-and-a-half minute tracks for LWP5 anyway, time limit or not.

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 15:01:35
Fair enough. But we can fit 24 390 second tracks on anyway, just about.

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:07:02
I'd like to contribute as well...but I'm worried about a project that has sprung from George Michael's loins.
;)

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 15:10:11
I was thinking "Freedom 90" for the heart track and "Last Christmas" for the feet track.

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 15:11:53
:lol:

King_Ghidra
16-05-2003, 15:11:54
I think a contributor limit sucks. Should certain people get to play just because they happened to see the post before certain others?

Debaser
16-05-2003, 15:12:33
Wham Rap for the heart, and "Club Tropicana" for the Feet. Goes without saying I'd have thought.

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 15:12:51
So what do you propose instead then?

King_Ghidra
16-05-2003, 15:15:34
mp3's - let as many people join as want to within a reasonable period (say the next week) and with mp3's it won't matter about track length

*End Is Forever*
16-05-2003, 15:18:42
d00d mp3z, like, suckass.

King_Ghidra
16-05-2003, 15:21:12
well so does people being left out of the event because the organisers decided only 10 peple can play

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:21:59
Fuuuuuck...I can see I'm going to have to put on my technician hat. And I just figured out how to burn a disc!
You young whippersnappers are going to drag me kicking and screaming into the Technical Age, aren't you?

Funkodrom
16-05-2003, 15:23:05
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
well so does people being left out of the event because the organisers decided only 10 peple can play

I agree.

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:24:25
X trap or whatever!

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:25:06
Shit...I probably can't score 'cause I didn't lure you...

Funkodrom
16-05-2003, 15:26:20
And there is a post in between my post and the one I quoted which is why I quoted it.

:rolleyes:

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:29:27
Stupid fucking game!

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 15:29:38
We don't even know if we're getting ten participants yet. :rolleyes:

MP3s are hateful and horrible.

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:35:27
Hmmm...I'm half deaf, so they don't bother me at all. And if it is possible to convert them to audio file (so I can listen in the car) so much the better.

Sean
16-05-2003, 15:36:51
Er, I will participate if there are any places left. I want new people to be able to participate.

King_Ghidra
16-05-2003, 15:37:06
don't rolleyes me, how many participants were there last time? on current evidence it only ever gets bigger

Funkodrom
16-05-2003, 15:38:09
I don't think it makes any difference, people can always burn them to CD and we'll use good quality mp3s.

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:45:56
Oh great, now I have to know the difference between good and bad quality MP3's?!

Uh "Professor Funkodrum, this wasn't in the syllabus and I'm worried about my grade point average!"

Funkodrom
16-05-2003, 15:47:41
It's easy enough. If we are going that route we'll put guidelines/explanations etc in the thread saying where to send submissions etc.

BigGameHunter
16-05-2003, 15:51:33
Please include pictures and simple diagrams as well.

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 16:08:26
I'll agree to compressed formats on one condition: for songs that are not already MP3s, we use the much superior Ogg Vorbis file format.

But even so, I suggest we wait until we know how much time it's all going to take up. Let's keep participation open, and then have everyone PM the compiler the length of their two songs. If it's still under 80 minutes per CD, there's no problem.

The last two times? It grew from 11 participants to 12 (+1 review-only). Hardly staggering growth...

Funkodrom
16-05-2003, 16:10:01
Yes but there were other people who wanted to contribute but didn't get on the CD.

Sean
16-05-2003, 16:11:34
And Higgsy didn’t send anything.

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 16:11:34
Name them.

Sean
16-05-2003, 16:12:26
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
I'll agree to compressed formats on one condition: for songs that are not already MP3s, we use the much superior Ogg Vorbis file format.
If this was going to be downloadable, which it isn’t, then that would have the added benefit of people with slower connections being able to download lower quality versions without the person who made the file having to do anything.

Funkodrom
16-05-2003, 16:13:06
I have a train to catch but I'll try and dig up the thread some other time if I can be arsed.

Sean
16-05-2003, 16:14:27
SB: Immortal Wombat, Guy, BigGameHunter.

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 16:15:07
We left up to 15 places open the second round, 13 signed up then one dropped out. 12, with no other potential participants at all.

Scabrous Birdseed
16-05-2003, 16:17:36
If we're doing it compressed files anyway the whole CD distribution thing becomes pointless. Let's find a gig of webspace and slap it up there.

Mr. Bas
16-05-2003, 22:09:56
I'm up for it.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-05-2003, 07:57:52
I think that, at most, we'll get 15 participants. On one CD, that meansthey get an average of 5 minutes to fit one song on (on the head/feet basis).

Where's the problem?

If there's overspill, the longest track gets dropped. There's your incentive to not be a dick.

Debaser
17-05-2003, 09:47:19
Yeah, I agree Laz. Not dropped necessarily, but faded out before the end.

Provost Harrison
17-05-2003, 10:49:55
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
But then Sean will submit 18-minute tracks and Provost Harrison the 14-minute The Decline EP by NOFX.

18 minutes actually :cute:

I will participate in this one I suppose :D Now I just have to figure out which tracks to pick - I am sure I can find something...

Funkodrom
17-05-2003, 12:04:56
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
If we're doing it compressed files anyway the whole CD distribution thing becomes pointless. Let's find a gig of webspace and slap it up there.

No it doesn't. I don't even fancy downloading that much on my cable modem. Definitely unrealistic for dial up users.

Provost Harrison
17-05-2003, 12:12:25
I am a dial-up user, although I intend to invest in a CD burner...now that reminds me of what I needed to do today...

The Shaker
17-05-2003, 12:13:11
It is much more convenient having a CD, at some points over the last CD I wouldn't have been arsed if i'd had to actually 'make some effort'.

For proof see the Mpeg of the week/Game of the week where you actually had to downnload things :)

Funkodrom
17-05-2003, 12:15:19
Exactly.

Provost Harrison
17-05-2003, 12:31:29
Also remember I can listen to a CD in the car when I am driving around, which can be very convenient...

Immortal Wombat
17-05-2003, 15:33:05
I'd like to participate again. :)

Scabrous Birdseed
17-05-2003, 16:18:13
Participants so far:

Scabrous Birdseed
Funkodrom
Eklektikos
The Shaker
*End is Forever*
Debaser (?)
Guy
BigGameHunter
King_Ghidra (?)
Sean (?)
Mr. Bas
Lazarus and the Gimp (?)
Provost Harrison
Immortal Wombat
protein (?)

That's fifteen already. Er, I can see how this will be a problem.

BigGameHunter
17-05-2003, 17:11:01
Yeah...that's 5:33 per person based on an 80 minute disc. At two discs that's 10:66 total.

Maybe we can break it into two groups, so that each group only needs one compiler and burner still? That way, assuming 8 participants per group, you're looking at 10 minutes per person? Hmmmm...

Scabrous Birdseed
17-05-2003, 18:39:36
I was going to suggest two groups, but then I'm not sure how the reviews would work.

Provost Harrison
17-05-2003, 18:50:47
5:33 per person? Yikes...I think my current ideas must be waaaay over that...

BigGameHunter
17-05-2003, 19:15:32
If you did two groups and two CD's per group (basically the same as past LWP endeavors) at 80 mins. per disc , you'd have 20 minutes per person.
I suggest we split into 2 groups this time and assign the members randomly somehow.
Then we'll need a burner (probably in Europe) and a compiler (I'd be willing to try for one group) for each group.

BigGameHunter
17-05-2003, 19:16:54
Though I'm sure I'd still want to get my hands on a copy of the other group's disc.
Shit!

Scabrous Birdseed
17-05-2003, 19:54:29
Exactly. That's my problem. The CD-compiler of the one group would have to fork out to send the CD to those of the other group too...

BigGameHunter
17-05-2003, 20:11:54
OK...how about this: two groups (one or two disc's) and assuming eight members per group, each member has a "buddy" in the other group they are assigned to send a copy of the disc to?

protein
17-05-2003, 20:19:09
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
Participants so far:

Scabrous Birdseed
Funkodrom
Eklektikos
The Shaker
*End is Forever*
Debaser (?)
Guy
BigGameHunter
King_Ghidra (?)
Sean (?)
Mr. Bas
Lazarus and the Gimp (?)
Provost Harrison
Immortal Wombat
protein (?)

That's fifteen already. Er, I can see how this will be a problem.
Yes please. Thanks for including me. :love:

BigGameHunter
17-05-2003, 20:38:15
You could even go more socialist and have the burner hand one disc over to the next person who thens sends it to the next and so on until the "tree" has been filled. So, theoretically, each person would only have to pay for two discs plus whatever post was involved. That seems doable and fair, provided people are very quick on the turnaround.

BigGameHunter
17-05-2003, 20:39:01
Or four discs, if you did two groups of two discs each. Still well within even the most meager budget.

Scabrous Birdseed
17-05-2003, 22:24:36
Both ideas sound fair, and we'd save on overall postage. However, since 11 out of 15 people concerned live in Britain, could I suggest this system only applies to them with a couple of people in charge of sending it out to thr non-britons.

Possibly the former system would also be quicker. Not sure though.

Lazarus and the Gimp
18-05-2003, 07:53:28
I still think you're overly-worried. I bet a load of songs turn ont to be 4 minutes or less.

Still, whatever goes....Incidentally, I don't mind "Buddying up" with one of the non-Brits whatever my status in this is. I'm not an impoverished student and am not about to be bankrupted by an airmail fee.

Scabrous Birdseed
18-05-2003, 10:02:25
It's mostly the other way around I'm worried about. Seems wasteful that our esteemed American colleagues should spend so much on airfare when the person who compiled the CD lives in Britain...

King_Ghidra@home
18-05-2003, 16:13:13
Originally posted by The Shaker
It is much more convenient having a CD, at some points over the last CD I wouldn't have been arsed if i'd had to actually 'make some effort'.

For proof see the Mpeg of the week/Game of the week where you actually had to downnload things :)

I don't think that is a fair comparison. Downloading some isolated game or mp3 by an artist you've never heard of is totally different from getting hold of some music that is part of LWP and most likely represents somethign that really means someone to a fellow CG pal.

oh and while we're at it:

originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
We don't even know if we're getting ten participants yet. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

The Shaker
19-05-2003, 09:01:45
Originally posted by King_Ghidra@home
I don't think that is a fair comparison. Downloading some isolated game or mp3 by an artist you've never heard of is totally different from getting hold of some music that is part of LWP and most likely represents somethign that really means someone to a fellow CG pal.



For you maybe,
I know I'd be way too lazy, and quite possibly too busy/unable to get onto the net to do this. Popping on the CD was hard enough last time, most reviews were from work. I can't DL from work. Or listen to MP3s.

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 09:32:33
Yeah, and K_G has adsl which is a shitload faster than our cable modem. On a normal modem it wouldn't be realistic at all.

The Shaker
19-05-2003, 10:03:24
So we are all agreed, K_G is a bastard. :)

*End Is Forever*
19-05-2003, 13:05:47
ADSL is great :love:

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 13:57:54
I have chosen my first song. 4 and a half mins.

*End Is Forever*
19-05-2003, 14:20:32
I can confirm that my two songs will be nine minutes absolute maximum, and probably a good couple of minutes less than that.

*End Is Forever*
19-05-2003, 14:20:53
(Between them, that is!)

King_Ghidra
19-05-2003, 14:42:06
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Yeah, and K_G has adsl which is a shitload faster than our cable modem. On a normal modem it wouldn't be realistic at all.

Is that really true, i thought cable was exactly the same 512k download!? But for dial-up, fair point, I must admit i wasn't thinking of it in those terms. Ah i'm so blasť about my ADSL, it's true i am a bastard :)

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 14:56:26
It would be but we only have the cheapo 150K version.

*End Is Forever*
19-05-2003, 14:57:44
Still a sizeable improvement on dialup...

King_Ghidra
19-05-2003, 15:03:17
Originally posted by Funkodrom
It would be but we only have the cheapo 150K version.

oh my god :vom:

BigGameHunter
19-05-2003, 15:08:18
I only have dial up, and AOL at that. If I can quit smoking and justify the expense, I MIGHT get cable internet...it would be worth it to me, as it is the one medium I spend the most time on. However, justifying it to my wife is another story altogether, as we have a new child and home and there is lots and lots of work to do.
Probably have to get people to post their definite song times or break it into groups.

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 15:19:01
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
oh my god :vom:

Yeah, they've just put the price up though so I've been considering upgrading to the 600K.

BigGameHunter
19-05-2003, 15:21:37
No wonder the world is such a mess...we can't even come to a concensus on this crap!
:LOL:

Scabrous Birdseed
19-05-2003, 15:53:10
I think the Group idea is workable, we don't even need to post the song times I think.

A sixteenth person would be useful, plus we need three volunteers for the other group.

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 15:58:16
I want to hear everyones songs though.

Scabrous Birdseed
19-05-2003, 16:01:36
Yes, yes, that's included in that proposition- each group member is assigned a "buddy" in the other group they exchange discs with.

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 16:04:57
Oh, OK I didn't see that in the post above.

Still means we end up with 4 CDs rather than 2. I'd still much rather just have 1 CD of mp3s than piss around with all that.

BigGameHunter
19-05-2003, 17:11:48
Well, we'll need to array our choices and have a vote on it.
Good thing there aren't any French or Germans involved.
;)

Scabrous Birdseed
19-05-2003, 17:20:12
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Oh, OK I didn't see that in the post above.

Still means we end up with 4 CDs rather than 2. I'd still much rather just have 1 CD of mp3s than piss around with all that.

You can make one. :)

BigGameHunter
19-05-2003, 17:36:57
At the most each person will have to burn and exchange two CD's. Sounds like a better system than the last, which made one person burn like 30+ discs?
I have no idea what the issue is with MP3's? If I can burn a song to my PC as an MP3 and email it, that's fine by me. Also, if I can convert on the PC to audio, I'm willing to make the effort.

Either compromise seems doable to me. But I'm no Will Robinson.

Debaser
19-05-2003, 17:52:23
I'm slowly coming round to the idea of an Mp3 CD, purely for practicality reasons. How do they work though? Do you just get literally a bundle of files on a disk?

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 17:56:11
Yes.

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 18:25:01
I just upgraded to 600K. It's like shit of a stick. ZOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!

King_Ghidra@home
19-05-2003, 18:31:11
sweet :cool:

how much? and how much were you paying?

my adsl is £30 a month

Debaser
19-05-2003, 18:33:15
Do you want me email you a 3.5meg file just to see how quickly you can download it?

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 18:50:14
£24.99 a month. :cool:

E-mail away!

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 18:51:51
It used to be £15 but then they raised the price to £18 so it was worth upgrading, probably was anyway but the amount of money the cable people get out of me every month is obscene.

The Shaker
19-05-2003, 18:55:55
I feel like a god.

Funkodrom
19-05-2003, 18:56:04
:lol:

zmama
19-05-2003, 19:19:18
Okay fellas...sign me up as contributor #16.
I'm positive I can find two songs that I love that you will all hate. ;)

Guy
21-05-2003, 16:25:04
I look forward to hearing that. :)


On the format issue, I vote for one of the following:

1) one CD with MP3 files and unlimited contributors (though maybe some limits on file size and number of tracks)

or,

2) limit the number of contributors and have one CD with two tracks from each contributor. Preference would go to newcomers with those bumped getting preference for the next go-around. If we go this way, I volunteer to be a review-only person for this round.

The groups and stuff sounds too complicated, though the buddy system idea for disk distribution sounds good.

Scabrous Birdseed
21-05-2003, 16:47:39
How's it too complicated? Think of it as having four CDs instead of two.

Guy
21-05-2003, 16:55:33
Okay then, it's more complicated, not too complicated. I prefer keeping things as simple (and broad) as possible, hence my previous two votes.

Once more, I'm just throwing out ideas, I will go with whatever the majority decides.

Funkodrom
21-05-2003, 17:48:28
I agree with Guy.

Debaser
21-05-2003, 17:58:17
Mike, I think that since you and Snappy started the whole LWP thing you two should decide between yourselves what the best thing to do is, then get the ball rolling. At the moment there seem to be too many options and too much indecision. We need someone to take control, and it reckon its only fair that you two get the job (if you want it that is, obviously you're under no obligation).

Funkodrom
21-05-2003, 18:11:00
But we both disagree. I'd rather put it to a vote.

The Shaker
21-05-2003, 18:30:46
I can't even work out what the options are.

BigGameHunter
21-05-2003, 21:11:58
Somebody post a vote poll and let's get our shit together.
1) Newbie 2 Song compilation
2) Two groups of 8, time divided, send a disc to your buddy in the other group.
3) Massive MP3 compilation (this could always be a separate but equal project as well).

As we already have 16 people wanting to be involved, 2 seems like the obvious choice, unless we're going to have 4 or 5 people voluntarily bow out now.

Did I miss an option?

BigGameHunter
21-05-2003, 21:13:01
Oh yeah:
4) Shoot self in head.

Scabrous Birdseed
21-05-2003, 22:52:58
Option 2, except in the agreed-upon 2-song format?

Scabrous Birdseed
21-05-2003, 23:11:13
I'll post the poll.