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Debaser
04-04-2003, 11:49:23
Apparently I'm compiling the next part so PM your reviews (tracks 9-16) to me or mail them to debaser@loudmedicine.net

I don't know if a deadline has been set for the second part yet but obviously the sooner I get everything the quicker the article can be published. I'll set next thursday (10/4/03) at 6.00pm UK time as a provisional deadline, with view to publishing the article this time next week. If anyone has any problems with this could they post their concerns in this thread or PM me.

Thanks.
xx

Sean
04-04-2003, 11:51:34
Make the deadline Wednesday, then one day for replies, publish Friday.

Debaser
04-04-2003, 11:53:02
Good point, Wednesday it is.

Funkodrom
04-04-2003, 11:53:17
Yeah, that worked well for this one.

Funkodrom
04-04-2003, 11:54:01
I'll talk you through the formatting stuff, it's pretty easy.

Sean
04-04-2003, 11:55:11
You managed to cock it up in quite a few places.

Funkodrom
04-04-2003, 11:56:05
That doesn't mean it's not easy, just that I've got poor attention to detail.

Is there still somewhere it's broken?

Scabrous Birdseed
04-04-2003, 11:57:42
No, but there's a bunch of missed spaces/capitals etc.

Anyway, here's the rest of the compilers so I don't have to thrawl page 4 again:

Review Compiler Week 1 Funkodrom
Review Compiler Week 2 Debaser
Review Compiler Week 3 Funkodrom
Review Compiler Week 4 Sean
Review Compiler Week 5 Funkodrom
Review Compiler Week 6 Mr. Bas

Sean
04-04-2003, 11:59:34
I just searched for volounteers.

Funkodrom
04-04-2003, 12:02:48
Yeah, I know. It seems KG doesn't use capitals.

Sean, I bet you didn't return any results.

Sean
04-04-2003, 12:06:23
Did you actually try the search?

Funkodrom
04-04-2003, 12:32:12
Of course not.

Sean
04-04-2003, 16:39:50
Immortal Wombat! Nills Lagerbaak! Will you two be gracing this one with your reviews and guesses? You have some catching up to do with the latter, though.

King_Ghidra@home
04-04-2003, 18:53:27
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Yeah, I know. It seems KG doesn't use capitals.

real men dont use capitals or punctuation for that matter real men write in a stream of consciousness styleeee

Mr. Bas
04-04-2003, 19:28:35
Shouldn't that be tracks 9-17? Ah well, the deadlines are fine with me.

Debaser
05-04-2003, 00:09:18
Yes, I suppose it should be 9-17 really. Ok, we'll go with that then.

BigGameHunter
05-04-2003, 07:27:02
I'll start to guess now, I think. I'll get you my guesses...uh,Funk, do I need to send him my reviews as well?

Funkodrom
05-04-2003, 10:02:40
I can forward them to him if you want.

I'll give Nills the CDs tomorrow but he probably won't be near a computer much anymore.

Lazarus and the Gimp
05-04-2003, 13:15:57
Reviews sent. I feel I need to apologise for my medical history- I have a mild form of Tourrett's Syndrome that's triggered only by exposure to R.E.M.

Debaser
05-04-2003, 13:55:31
Thanks Laz, reviews received.

Resource Consumer
05-04-2003, 16:54:35
Only 9-16 - 7 tracks?

Mr. Bas
05-04-2003, 16:57:37
Tracks 9-17, which would make 9 tracks.

Mr. Bas
05-04-2003, 16:58:00
Reviews sent btw.

Resource Consumer
05-04-2003, 17:32:05
Originally posted by Mr. Bas
Tracks 9-17, which would make 9 tracks.

I'll learn to be more patient and learn to read. 9-17 it shall be.

Scabrous Birdseed
05-04-2003, 17:48:44
Reviews sent...

BigGameHunter
06-04-2003, 00:32:29
Um...I'll send them, Mike. That way I can put the guesses in.
Do you want them as a txt attachment as well, Debaser?

Debaser
06-04-2003, 11:48:04
BGH: Nah, just a PM is fine.

Mr Bas & Mr Birdseed: Reviews received.

*End Is Forever*
06-04-2003, 16:38:07
I have an unmistakable urge to guess either "Scabrous Birdseed" or "Sean" for every song I dislike.

*End Is Forever*
06-04-2003, 16:38:29
Oh, and reviews sent.

Sean
06-04-2003, 16:54:07
I would return the favour, but your tracks are so easy to guess.

Provost Harrison
06-04-2003, 21:09:04
Bloody hell, give us chance!

King_Ghidra
07-04-2003, 12:22:21
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Reviews sent. I feel I need to apologise for my medical history- I have a mild form of Tourrett's Syndrome that's triggered only by exposure to R.E.M.

:lol: ah it is REM then! I don't mind that track, but i guess i can cross you off my list of potential submitters :D

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 12:53:35
I can't wait to read the reviews of that song. :D

Sean
07-04-2003, 14:57:36
I’m feeling good about my guesses for this round, although I have a suspicion they could be horribly wrong. Just need to do the reviews now.

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 15:02:34
I found the guesses for this lot really hard.

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 15:41:50
Well I thought the "Sean song" stood out. Of course I'll probably now find it wasn't Sean's song after all...

Sean
07-04-2003, 15:42:57
No, it is.

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 15:43:41
Well... you are the one who guessed Sean for that song he really hated last time. :D

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 15:46:31
No, it is

And you accuse me of predictability...? :cute:

Well... you are the one who guessed Sean for that song he really hated last time. :D

Well, that also sounded like a Sean song. He just didn't know it at the time... :D

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 15:47:13
I did guess Sean for one song in that set but I didn't think it was that obvious.

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 15:48:59
I'm actually quite interested in the results of this set.

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 15:52:51
This is one of the dullest sections of the CDs. I think there are only 3 songs I like, although one is my favourite.

Sean
07-04-2003, 15:52:52
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
And you accuse me of predictability...? :cute:
When I see that review the accusations will be proven.

Sean
07-04-2003, 15:53:47
Originally posted by Funkodrom
This is one of the dullest sections of the CDs. I think there are only 3 songs I like, although one is my favourite.
I think this is absolutely the dullest section.

Edit: to review, anyway.

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 15:56:58
In fairness to me I did put the upcoming track on just to irritate people. :cute:

I've actually got some completely unpredictable tunes lined up for LWP5. My CD-Writer going haywire meant I only had a limited selection to choose from when I burned the CD at Johan's...

Sean
07-04-2003, 15:59:08
Couldn’t you say that about all your tracks, though?

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 16:00:29
Hey, my Finch track from LWP3 was one of the undoubted success stories, directly or indirectly I got about half the participants into a new band because of that...

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 16:01:26
I haven't guessed *EiF* for any of these. Oh well.

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 16:02:02
:p

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 16:02:32
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
Hey, my Finch track from LWP3 was one of the undoubted success stories, directly or indirectly I got about half the participants into a new band because of that...

Except I bought the album and was really disappointed. :cry:

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 16:03:25
Aww... poor Mike. Well Laz, Debaser (I think) Shaker and Wombat all thought more of it...

Sean
07-04-2003, 16:04:03
Originally posted by Funkodrom
I haven't guessed *EiF* for any of these. Oh well.
With good reason, I hope.

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 16:05:35
There wasn't any Emo.

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 16:07:37
Well at least someone was fooled.

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 16:08:39
If the really offensive song was yours I guessed it was Scabby's 'cause I thought it would be funny.

Sean
07-04-2003, 16:09:36
Really offensive?

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 16:10:30
What really offensive song?

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 16:12:53
I wanted to guess Scabrous Birdseed for about three of the tracks in this section...

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 16:13:25
You'll both have to wait for the reviews.

Sean
07-04-2003, 16:14:32
Doing mine now. Was hindered by listening to part three instead of part two at first, though.

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-04-2003, 16:21:01
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
Aww... poor Mike. Well Laz, Debaser (I think) Shaker and Wombat all thought more of it...

It's got about 4 decent tracks on it, and some real shit.

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 16:22:06
Yeah, exactly.

The Bursar
07-04-2003, 16:28:30
To be honest, it wasn't as good as I thought it would be. Slightly disappointing, but I'll follow their future releases for some more of the quality stuff that they can produce.

Debaser
07-04-2003, 16:49:35
I quite liked all of it. Some tracks were definately better than others though.

Provost Harrison
07-04-2003, 17:09:21
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Except I bought the album and was really disappointed. :cry:

I had more sense. My trick for finding good music is to listen to Iain's recommendation and avoid it. He has played his Finch in the car before and I wasn't at all fussed on it. Someone ought to give that bloke a good slap, tell him to get over it and buy him some singing lessons, and if that fails, a tracheotomy ought to do the trick :D

Scabrous Birdseed
07-04-2003, 17:10:20
I quite liked this section, but yeah it was certainly the least varied.

The Shaker
07-04-2003, 18:01:54
I was pissed off when I started writing my reviews.
By the end I felt a little better.

Funkodrom
07-04-2003, 18:08:53
Me too. Actually a large proportion of what I say about the songs depends not on how good the songs are but in what kind of mood I'm in when I write them.

Debaser
07-04-2003, 18:27:13
I tend to review each song relative to the song before it.

Funkodrom, Shaker and RC, I have recieved your reviews.

Scabrous Birdseed
07-04-2003, 19:02:14
I've found myself mentally writing two entirely different reviews on two different days. Occasionally I try to to reflect this in my final output.

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-04-2003, 19:19:24
I really liked this section. Bar a couple of duff ones I think it really hit a roll.

BigGameHunter
07-04-2003, 20:38:48
I'll have my review and guesses to you tonight, probably (guess that's in the middle of the night, your time).

What's the "official" definition of Emo?
I have a feeling that the Pacific Northwest scene is fairly Emotional if it is what I think it is.
God...that made a lot of sense, didn't it?

Scabrous Birdseed
07-04-2003, 20:42:52
Emo: indie kids doing pop-punk.

BigGameHunter
07-04-2003, 20:56:41
Wow...seems to be quite disparaged over there.
Would 'Built to Spill' be a band that fell into that category? I have a hard time believing that some bands that technically operate in that vast definition would be thought to suck?

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 21:06:51
I suppose they could, though they probably predate "emo" as a term. They've certainly been an influence on bands that could be classed as emo or emo-punk. Ataris even named BTS in one of their songs...

Sean
07-04-2003, 21:09:42
Reviews PMed.

*End Is Forever*
07-04-2003, 21:11:27
So who are the stragglers this week?

BigGameHunter
07-04-2003, 21:15:55
Me!
I actually have written reviews for the entire set, but there is some mathematics crap to consider, along with complex oddsmaking, in guessing who picked what...
Is the song placement completely random?

Sean
07-04-2003, 21:20:09
No. In fact, here are the guidelines I tried to follow, although I may have ballsed it up:
1) No-one has two tracks in the same section.
2) Everyone has at least one track on both CDs.
3) This aside, tracks go in a fairly random order, although I was quite pleased with some of the combos.

You can derive stuff from this. For instance, for those who submitted five tracks, there is only one week when there is not a track by them. For those who submitted three, two are on one CD and three on the other. Also you could count the minutes and look up the bartering thread, but I’ve only gone this far because I’m tired but waiting for a CM turn from Shakey and I can never get to sleep at this time anyway.

BigGameHunter
07-04-2003, 21:33:29
Crap...so there is a discernible pattern I have to figure out....hmmm.
But no one knows exactly how many songs each person contributed, right?

BigGameHunter
07-04-2003, 21:35:45
And I'm a bit disturbed by this "anti-emo" thing I'm seeing...what's wrong with indie-pop-punk? It's a natural outgrowth of some good bands (IMO) like REM (yeah, REM!), Replacements, Pale Fountains, etc.

Sean
07-04-2003, 21:39:22
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
Crap...so there is a discernible pattern I have to figure out....hmmm.
But no one knows exactly how many songs each person contributed, right?
IT’s not like it really matters. I just try to guess normally and if I guess two for the same person then reconsider.

Debaser
07-04-2003, 22:39:05
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
So who are the stragglers this week?

Currently Big Game Hunter, Provost Harrison, King Ghidra, and Protein. BGH reckons I'll have his later tonight, the others have about 48hours at this point.

King_Ghidra
08-04-2003, 07:55:12
oops, sorry, on their way today, i've already written them all, just these bloody guesses to do

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 08:02:46
The guessing hurts.
PM'd to the gentleman from Iowa.

Debaser
08-04-2003, 10:55:57
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
PM'd to the gentleman from Iowa.

D'you mean me?

Anyway, I've received both you guy's reviews now.

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 14:58:57
I still need to do song 17 apparently...can someone describe it to me briefly? I just need a memory jog.

protein
08-04-2003, 15:02:19
I'll do it when I get home.

Debaser
08-04-2003, 15:05:30
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
I still need to do song 17 apparently...can someone describe it to me briefly? I just need a memory jog.

I've just pm'd you a brief description, I can mail you the mp3 if you like.

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 15:05:33
Ah, yes...the reggae tune!
Review sent...

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 15:08:48
and that line should be "proceeded to"...dropped the "t".
Hey, it's 8 a.m. here, what do you expect, Hemingway?
;)

Lazarus and the Gimp
08-04-2003, 16:26:28
Originally posted by BigGameHunter
And I'm a bit disturbed by this "anti-emo" thing I'm seeing...what's wrong with indie-pop-punk? It's a natural outgrowth of some good bands (IMO) like REM (yeah, REM!), Replacements, Pale Fountains, etc.

It's certainly not all bad, but there's too much whining self-pity going around. I've not yet heard an emo band that's in the league of The Replacements.

Provost Harrison
08-04-2003, 16:56:24
I will get the reviews to you as soon as I can, I am a busy man at the moment ;)

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 17:47:14
Laz, have you heard of Built to Spill, Farm Days, The Treepeople, Quasi, Caustic Resin, The Halo Benders, The Spinanes, et. al? Maybe the problem is that there needs to be a distinction between "euro emo" and "yank emo" since I tend to perceive English "indie punk pop alternative" as being the gutless wimp rock of bands like Jesus Jones and Radiohead, vs. the more gritty and straight ahead US bands.
Don't know that I'd place both groups in the same genre, myself.

King_Ghidra@home
08-04-2003, 17:58:57
:lol:

i would call jesus jones gutless wimp rock

but i wouldn't exactly sum up Radiohead's career in those words...

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 18:04:24
Well, that's the problem with music...you dance on the fringe of a whirlpool of generalization and innocent victims get sucked in.
But you get my drift, right?
I'm almost certain that every genre aside from Ambient Dental Strings has at least one song/artist that I could enjoy.
And as far as wisp rock goes, the song so lambasted on the disc was'nt really all that bad. I expected much worse from EIF.

Lazarus and the Gimp
08-04-2003, 19:23:50
I'm familiar with Built to Spill and The Spinanes, and they're OK. I'm certainly no fan of Jesus Jones, and I think that Radiohead only did one good album (The Bends).

Most "indie pop punk alternative" doesn't do much for me. I like extremes in music- either monstrously heavy stuff, or songs that are so stripped-down that they're barely there at all.

Debaser
08-04-2003, 20:21:59
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I will get the reviews to you as soon as I can, I am a busy man at the moment ;)

Hey, if you've got time to fuck around on Counterglow, you've got time to write 9 little reviews! Now get to it bitch!

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 21:09:04
That's telling him!

OK Laz...agree to disagree I guess. I just think that there are diamonds in the rough in that genre, that's all.

I tend to get the feeling that dissing "emo" is probably fashionable right now over there, for whatever reason.

Scabrous Birdseed
08-04-2003, 21:15:14
It's formulaic, it's uncreative, it all sounds the same and all the singers sound like worried pubescent boys. What other reasons do we need to dislike it?

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 21:25:39
:cry:
Is all Jazz great?
Is all classical masterful?
Is all blues soulful?
We can find "crap", "decent", "good" and "great" examples of genres within any group, hell, within artist's bodies of work, even.

I find it rather perplexing that a person who seems so intensely interested in the permutations of music can wield criticism like a blunt instrument.
Surely there are distinctions within the "alternative" movement. Maybe what we need to say is "emo is music that is formulaic, it's uncreative, it all sounds the same and all the singers sound like worried pubescent boys" and "good alternative is not emo".

But hey...how did I become the champion of this issue?!?
Bah...all I'm saying is the song was by no means horrendous or nearly as irritating as that Swedish tune, from a sheerly "musical" standpoint.
:cute:

Debaser
08-04-2003, 21:33:13
Sub-genres are all bollocks. Bands should aspire to some kind of unique sound, not just limply follow a set of chiches which will lead to them being an "Emo" band or whatever. Like Birdseed said, it's formulaic and uncreative. I quite like Jimmy Eat World, I think their Bleed America album is really good, but since they've become popular hundreds of bands have appeared that have so obviously sat down and tried to analyse what it is that people see in them. They aren't clever enough to realise that people liked them because they sounded a little bit different to the rest of the pop/punk market.

The Shaker
08-04-2003, 21:40:38
The weird thing is that I can hear lots of what seem to be quite different kins of songs, and you musos classify the lot as generic emo. If you want every song to be completely different to fit in your collection, it would be very limited. I don't like Jimmy Eat World.

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 21:42:23
Right, but that still leaves several unique, trail blazing acts that spawn this crap. Why throw the baby out with the bath water?
Pixies are a great example of an "alternative" band that ate even other esteemed "alternative" band's lunches. I saw them single-handedly humiliate both Jane's Addiction and Primus in one show.
Same as I saw Jimmy Cliff pull down the Grateful Dead's pants and march them around the stadium.
There are exceptions to every rule...yeah?

Debaser
08-04-2003, 21:54:17
You saw the Pixies, Janes Addiction and Primus all on the same bill?

Did you literally cry with happiness?

*End Is Forever*
08-04-2003, 21:55:39
I quite like Jimmy Eat World, I think their Bleed America album is really good, but since they've become popular hundreds of bands have appeared that have so obviously sat down and tried to analyse what it is that people see in them.

That's harsh. Since they've become popular the media has cottoned on to other bands that are like-them-but-not-quite-as-good.

Which bands were you thinking of that have "analysed" J.E.W.?

Debaser
08-04-2003, 22:06:14
Ok, good point.

Haha, when I said "hundreds" I was specifically talking about Thursday, but I sure there are lots of others.

BigGameHunter
08-04-2003, 23:52:32
Why, yes, Debaser, as a matter of fact I did! Best bill I've seen, ever. I hated Primus beforehand, sort of liked JA and idolized Pixies...in the end, it was Pixies rule, Primus has to be seen to be appreciated (Les Claypool is a bass wizard!) and JA's Perry Ferrel or whatever his name is, is an annoying jerk off, but the music was still good.
I have the distinct pride of doing a "Where is My Mind" cover in front of a decent sized audience, and not too badly, either.
:)

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 08:40:15
Ah, now Alternative I dislike for entirely different reasons. You have to appreciate that Emo is a much more specific sound and ethos than you think it is.

Funkodrom
09-04-2003, 08:49:40
I heard people call At the Drive-In Emo. How ridiculous.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 08:58:07
Whiny, teenage-sounding singer breaking into horrible wails occasionally? Check.
Horrid nineties production? Check.
Pretentious, "emotional" themes? Check.

;)

Nah. They're a good deal better than the entirity of Emo bands, mainly through having original ideas among all the loud-quiet, indistinct, whiny, anti-pop crud that Alternative music stood for. Still slots in quite comfortably into Alternative club nights, which is definately a worrying thing.

Funkodrom
09-04-2003, 09:00:10
I love anti-pop whatever that is. It's like the ideal dream music that I've yet to hear.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 09:14:01
Well, let's see... It'd have to be: Single rhythmed (or entirely unrhythmed) since good pop works on a Polyrhythmic principle. It'd have to not have a groove at all, since good pop is all about bounce and movement. No memorable hooks, very important. Not danceable. All the instrumental lines would need to run into each other in such a way as to make it impossible for the listener to hear any single one of them. No vocals.

Funkodrom
09-04-2003, 09:38:54
Sounds brilliant. :beer:

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 10:17:26
It'd be quite a neat intellectual challenge. If we set ourselves the constraints of a basic guitar-guitar-bass-drums+ setup, and the provision that each instrument has to play a different thing (since it's difficult to avoid hooks if they all hit the notes at the same time), it must be very difficult to avoid any accessibility factors like rhythm, melody, hooks or memorability- a bit writing dadistic poetry without any word associations.

The drums would have to be mixed low, and beat co-ordinated with the other instruments in a random fashion in order to make sure they never hit a space alone, nor produce a steady rhythm. Each instrument would need to be randomly doubled or tripled, heavily distorted, and again co-ordinated beat-wise with each other in a chaotic fashion. Maybe some sort of equation could be used to make sure that no instrument plays alone, no two instruments play together for a sustained period of time, no regularly recurring pattern occurs and that the noise remains at an overall steady (though of course constantly varied, componentwise) level. Then you could probably elimitate hooks and stuff by feel.

Funkodrom
09-04-2003, 10:25:27
Why limit ourselves to bass, drums and guitar?

This track was a bit like that. Except it has some rhythm.

http://www.counterglow.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7776

Debaser
09-04-2003, 10:48:39
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
Well, let's see... It'd have to be: Single rhythmed (or entirely unrhythmed) since good pop works on a Polyrhythmic principle. It'd have to not have a groove at all, since good pop is all about bounce and movement. No memorable hooks, very important. Not danceable. All the instrumental lines would need to run into each other in such a way as to make it impossible for the listener to hear any single one of them. No vocals.

So Sonic Undermind are anti-pop (but with vocals)?

Funkodrom
09-04-2003, 10:54:23
Excellent.:beer:

protein
09-04-2003, 11:39:22
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
Well, let's see... It'd have to be: Single rhythmed (or entirely unrhythmed) since good pop works on a Polyrhythmic principle. It'd have to not have a groove at all, since good pop is all about bounce and movement. No memorable hooks, very important. Not danceable. All the instrumental lines would need to run into each other in such a way as to make it impossible for the listener to hear any single one of them. No vocals.

As the only expert on rhythm here (I've been drumming for 15 years and programming beats for 10) and a writer of music in different genres (rock, d'n'b, techno, hip hop, indie etc) I have to say that you are talking utter shite.

You have an excellent way with words and I respect you for that but you have no idea about music or musical construction.

*End Is Forever*
09-04-2003, 11:40:35
So who are we still waiting for?

Funkodrom
09-04-2003, 11:41:35
Originally posted by protein
As the only expert on rhythm here (I've been drumming for 15 years and programming beats for 10) and a writer of music in different genres (rock, d'n'b, techno, hip hop, indie etc) I have to say that you are talking utter shite.

You have an excellent way with words and I respect you for that but you have no idea about music or musical construction.

Ah, you've made the conceptual leap to a wider understanding and enjoyment of Scabby's posts.

protein
09-04-2003, 11:50:05
Him have long words that confuse my simple brain in to believing he have musical knowledge. Me worked it out now. He just wordy.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 12:56:16
So what does pop consist of, then, protein?

Debaser
09-04-2003, 13:03:11
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
So who are we still waiting for?

Provost Harrison. Somebody give him a slap.

Sean
09-04-2003, 13:05:57
You could just add his reviews in after the comments, as punishment.

Sean
09-04-2003, 13:07:05
I went over all PH in that last set of reviews anyway.

Debaser
09-04-2003, 13:07:28
I said the deadline was today so it's only fair to give him a few more hours.

BigGameHunter
09-04-2003, 14:46:42
I think what Scabrous Birdseed is proposing is already a quite popular movement in my home. It's called "noise" and is very effectively displayed by my 21 month old son, everytime he sits at the piano or bangs on his drum or just runs around screeching like his pants are on fire for no apparent reason.

It sounds like a bunch of pretentious claptrap to me. Dada indeed! Put on your beret and head on down to the coffee house with that nonsense!
;)

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 15:25:04
Ah, but your son, being human, might have rhythms or meaning in his noise. That, of course, is to be discouraged. ;)

protein, come on, what's wrong with the polyrhythm idea? Take any good pure pop song (say, "Debaser" by the Pixies) and each instrument is playing on a different set of beats as well as different notes. There's no counterpoint, the instruments don't act as part of a complex harmony, instead each one exists to provide another individual, memorable melody/rhythm line to the overall soundscape. That different complexity is what makes pop music different from classical, I think.

BigGameHunter
09-04-2003, 15:30:02
Uh, generally they're in the same key and follow a "count" or beat, which is sort of a prerequisite for making music that doesn't sound like Scabrous Birdseed, headed back from his DaDa anti-meeting, drunk on absinthe and crashing into garbage cans in an alley.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 16:54:05
Indeed they are. But it's hardly a signifying property of pop music, that's true of nearly everything. Except anti-pop. :D

As you probably will see from my LWP5 selections, I've gone for pretty straightforward music- I really dislike atonal bollocks. I was being sarcastic towards Funkodrom. :)

Sean
09-04-2003, 16:56:35
Provost Harrison has five minutes?

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 16:58:19
Nah, he has over 12 minutes. Unfortunately.

Provost Harrison
09-04-2003, 17:06:47
You'll have to wait until later on tonight...I haven't had the chance to do it yet.

Sean
09-04-2003, 17:09:17
:shoot:.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 17:16:52
Aim lower. You're missing the dot entirely.

Sean
09-04-2003, 17:20:01
Wha?!

It ducked! That bastard.

Lazarus and the Gimp
09-04-2003, 17:21:22
I do like atonal bollocks, if it's done right.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-04-2003, 17:35:24
Well, yeah, okay, if it's done right...

Sean
09-04-2003, 17:37:48
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I like extremes in music- either monstrously heavy stuff, or songs that are so stripped-down that they're barely there at all.
This is surely slightly misleading, as you like a lot of the stuff that is somewhere between the two, right?

Lazarus and the Gimp
09-04-2003, 17:48:36
Yes, though arguably not as much.

Debaser
09-04-2003, 18:26:46
Provost Harrison, luckily for you I'm going out later so you have a few more hours, but if your reviews aren't in my PM box by the time I get back then I warn you, you're entering a whole world of pain.

You have till about 11.

Provost Harrison
09-04-2003, 20:29:53
Tracks 9-17 on their way.

Is it me or do *End Is Forever* tracks stand out like a sore thumb? ;)

*End Is Forever*
09-04-2003, 21:58:18
Not as much as yours do, buddy.

Provost Harrison
09-04-2003, 22:48:58
So which track did you guess as mine then? :p

Sean
09-04-2003, 22:58:02
Oh, just wait for Debaser to get back.

I guessed that you were a decade off in an earlier comment.

*End Is Forever*
09-04-2003, 23:26:34
Putting songs you dislike on to prove that you aren't predictable doesn't count. :)

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 08:51:01
Debaser pointed out to me which is the obvious EiF track last night. I hang my head in shame for not guessing it was him.

*End Is Forever*
10-04-2003, 08:54:13
I only put it on to annoy everyone.

Anyway, talking of Debaser, when will I be finding out just how many people realised it was a predictable EIF track...

*End Is Forever*
10-04-2003, 08:56:26
Who did you guess for that track?

Scabrous Birdseed
10-04-2003, 09:19:18
So where are our commentables, then?

I really liked the track Rich claims was the *EiF* track.

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 09:30:06
I really like it too. But then again if it isn't his and I didn't guess it was him that makes me a genius.

Scabrous Birdseed
10-04-2003, 09:33:21
Unless, like me, you guessed it was Debaser's.

*End Is Forever*
10-04-2003, 09:39:26
It should have been obvious given that the track in question only has about five lines of lyrics, two of which I've used repeatedly in my signature...

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 09:39:55
people read signatures?

Mr. Bas
10-04-2003, 09:41:14
That's how I guessed it.

Sean
10-04-2003, 09:41:18
That was how I knew it, as you well know.

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 09:42:11
People listen to lyrics?

I'm surrounded by freaks.

Mr. Bas
10-04-2003, 09:43:41
Well, the music wasn't really worth paying attention to, so I could just as well focus on the lyrics.

Scabrous Birdseed
10-04-2003, 09:45:10
How does he know? Has he been allowed to comment on his track? Why haven't I been allowed to comment on my track?

Sean
10-04-2003, 09:46:51
He knows because I pointed it out to him.

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 09:48:45
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
How does he know? Has he been allowed to comment on his track? Why haven't I been allowed to comment on my track?

Withnail!

*End Is Forever*
10-04-2003, 09:58:19
X-Post, Sean beat me to it.

*End Is Forever*
10-04-2003, 09:59:31
Where are the comments to comment on, anyway?

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 10:00:25
I dunno, when Debaser left my house at ten to one he said he had an essay to write for this morning.

Scabrous Birdseed
10-04-2003, 10:55:57
Essay Shmessay.

*End Is Forever*
10-04-2003, 11:09:27
He should speak to Johan, who appears to be the expert on "not writing essays"... :)

BigGameHunter
10-04-2003, 14:52:04
Slackers! We'd be on LWP17 if I was in charge of this operation!

Debaser
10-04-2003, 15:11:41
Bo!

I've just got in from and college and I have to be at work in 19 minutes. I'll be back at 8.30 though, so expect your comments to arrive about 9.00.

Later alligators...

Lazarus and the Gimp
10-04-2003, 20:37:31
Cuh.

Debaser
10-04-2003, 20:42:10
Ok, make that 10....

The Shaker
10-04-2003, 20:52:44
LOOOHOOOOOOOOOSER

Sean
10-04-2003, 20:53:32
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Cuh.
Bollocks.

Scabrous Birdseed
10-04-2003, 20:58:28
Debaser Counterglow Forums Main Index 21:47

Back to work!

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 21:13:51
I haven't got my PM yet but then I haven't got a track in this section have I. :D

Scabrous Birdseed
10-04-2003, 21:17:20
God it's really nerv wracking waiting like this, especially being near the end. Dammit, why can't you surprise me when I log on in the morning like Funko does?

Funkodrom
10-04-2003, 21:18:53
Shhhh... don't tell anyone or no more private messages.fir ;)

Scabrous Birdseed
10-04-2003, 21:31:39
Brown Card!

I'm too tired to comment now anyway, so all I'm doing is waiting for the comments to come in, reading them, then going to bed. Which is stupid since I've already got my comment planned out and I don't care what people say. I'm just curious. Dammit!

Debaser
10-04-2003, 21:51:14
Ok, they've all been sent out. Everyone feel free to sub-edit spelling and grammer.

Sean
10-04-2003, 21:51:42
I’m writing mine now, but will send it tomorrow before going to play snooker.

Sean
10-04-2003, 21:52:31
Debaser: I take it you, unlike Funkodrom, will actually keep my paragraph breaks?

Debaser
10-04-2003, 22:02:40
Anything you want baby ;)

Sean
10-04-2003, 22:09:19
Hah, I just noticed that the most-guessed person after me for my track was Laz, who liked it the most.

Sean
11-04-2003, 08:00:26
Sent.

Funkodrom
11-04-2003, 08:22:46
Originally posted by Sean
Debaser: I take it you, unlike Funkodrom, will actually keep my paragraph breaks?

I took them out of everyone's track reviews and left them in for the submitter's response. It was an aesthetic decision because it looked shit with paragraphs within each individual review.

Sean
11-04-2003, 08:24:39
Take off the top margin and indent paragraphs within the reviews, then.

*End Is Forever*
11-04-2003, 08:27:17
Mine are sent too.

Funkodrom
11-04-2003, 08:31:27
Originally posted by Sean
Take off the top margin and indent paragraphs within the reviews, then.

Write one paragraph reviews like everyone else. :p

Scabrous Birdseed
11-04-2003, 10:12:57
50 Sent.

Mr. Bas
11-04-2003, 12:53:15
Sent as well.

*End Is Forever*
11-04-2003, 13:08:55
Can we blame Debaser for being slow yet?

Debaser
11-04-2003, 13:27:33
Nope, still waiting for a few comments. (Yes I mean YOU Provost Harrison, BigGameHunter, and Lazarus and the Gimp)

*End Is Forever*
11-04-2003, 14:03:33
BGH didn't submit any songs so he shouldn't have any comments to return...

Debaser
11-04-2003, 14:14:58
Good point. Apologies Mr Game-Hunter.

BigGameHunter
11-04-2003, 14:40:19
I'll not be your whipping boy!
Come on...I yearn to disagree with the commentary!

*End Is Forever*
11-04-2003, 14:57:45
So we're waiting for Rich and Alex...

King_Ghidra
11-04-2003, 15:00:51
You always use everyone's real first names, it's so confusing :clueless:

Lazarus and the Gimp
11-04-2003, 16:24:46
Mine's in.

Debaser
11-04-2003, 16:42:35
Thanks Laz, just Mr Harrison to go then.

Does anyone know how I go about publishing this little beauty?

The Shaker
11-04-2003, 18:13:09
Hmmmm, give it to one of the publishy guys :)

who'd have thought we'd wait for PH, he's always so punctual.

Provost Harrison
11-04-2003, 19:14:45
Stop whinging, it's in :p