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Sir Penguin
03-04-2003, 04:42:04
I finished chapter one last night (this morning). Holy crap! :eek:

SP

chagarra
03-04-2003, 05:28:16
You 'WILL' become accustomed to reading in ever decreasing circles till you finally disappear into a future orifice...

And that is before you read the sequel, "The fall of Hyperion"

Noisy
03-04-2003, 10:08:26
I was blown away by 'Hyperion'; entertained by 'The Fall of Hyperion'; but 'Endymion' is still sitting in the pile of things to read in the future. I just can't put my finger on why I'm drifting away in the middle of this series, given how brilliant I though 'Hyperion' was.

maroule
03-04-2003, 10:38:13
hyperion got me back reading SF again, after a 5 years pause
it's absolutely superb

Qweeg
03-04-2003, 12:25:57
Originally posted by Noisy
I was blown away by 'Hyperion'; entertained by 'The Fall of Hyperion'; but 'Endymion' is still sitting in the pile of things to read in the future. I just can't put my finger on why I'm drifting away in the middle of this series, given how brilliant I though 'Hyperion' was.

thought.

maroule
03-04-2003, 12:28:46
being given spelling lessons by Qweeg HAS to hurt

Funkodrom
03-04-2003, 12:38:28
:lol:

moomin
03-04-2003, 18:46:37
Hyperion was good. Well, apart from the fact that everybody in the Hegemony Command had to be idiots. But that's too common a fallacy to complain about if you want to do much reading.

I thought the sequel stunk, though.

Darkstar
03-04-2003, 22:31:12
All the commanders are idiots? Well that isn't necessarily bad writing. It's quite a common happening in reality/history, moomin.

Noisy
04-04-2003, 01:35:13
* Writhes in an agony of humiliation *

(I really must get a new keyboard.)

Sir Penguin
07-04-2003, 00:49:33
Sure, blame the keyboard.

The book definitely had a bizarre ending. I declare it top-5 material. :)

SP

GP
07-04-2003, 02:43:37
Any book that ends with a cliffhanger and a plug to buy "book 2 of the Neverending Crapiad" gets tossed accross the room. My copy of Hyperion has a nice dent in it. What a piece of crap.

Sir Penguin
07-04-2003, 03:04:51
It was a smart publishing move. A 1000+-page paperback would never be read by us pseudo-sophisticates. :)

SP

GP
07-04-2003, 03:10:28
Well...us troglodytes want shorter books. Read something by Robert Wilson. Like THE CHRONOLITHS or BIOS.

I hate those crapiad books. It's MOTSS (more of the same stuff) syndrome. Basically padding.

GP
07-04-2003, 03:12:52
I went on a tirade on this at the Analog/IASFM forums. Well several tirades.

Colon
07-04-2003, 03:39:21
George, could you recommend me a sci-fy book that has an emphasis on society stuff? (you know where my interests lie) I managed to finish Red Mars but I'd prefer something slimmer than that.

GP
07-04-2003, 04:12:51
Yeah. Know what you mean about the length of that series. I actually like Robinson's stuff. But not the MARS series so much.

Hmmm...actually I don't know your interests so well. I guess I know that you have a hobby of macroeconomics. And a professional interest in marketing.

hmmm....I can recommend a couple light older ones: DOUBLE STAR and CITIZEN OF THE GALAXY.

LEST DARKNESS FALL is interesting if you like roman history.

ROGUE QUEEN is kind of a very cool societal one. Maybe that hits what you are looking for.

The FOUNDATION series is overtly sociological. But a bit long at times and without real central action/adventure.

For more modern stuff, both of the Wilson books I mentioned are quite good. And he is a political liberal (although you couldn't tell it from the books.) CALCULATING GOD might appeal to you as well.

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Those are a few to start with. We can talk more if you want, young prodigy.

GP
07-04-2003, 04:20:27
Also strongly recommend THE PILGRIM by Dickison. It has a lot of action in different European cities. And it shows a very strong culture war between two civilizations. That are both enough different and similar to really get on each others nerves.

Jon Miller part Deux
07-04-2003, 04:42:39
I liked the first better than the second, and didn't pick up the third, also

Jon Miller

maroule
07-04-2003, 07:55:38
Originally posted by GP
Also strongly recommend THE PILGRIM by Dickison. It has a lot of action in different European cities. And it shows a very strong culture war between two civilizations. That are both enough different and similar to really get on each others nerves.

France and England? (any european culture) and (any european culture)?

Colon
07-04-2003, 11:46:46
Originally posted by GP
[B]Yeah. Know what you mean about the length of that series. I actually like Robinson's stuff. But not the MARS series so much.

Hmmm...actually I don't know your interests so well. I guess I know that you have a hobby of macroeconomics. And a professional interest in marketing.

I liked the parts in Red Mars were they were talking about how they were building their colonies, their visions of society and government, the actual developments therein. Stuff like that.
Also liked that about Brave New World. (didn't agree with the message but it was nice reading how a fictional society was structured)

Thx for the suggestions.

GP
07-04-2003, 12:58:20
Originally posted by maroule
France and England? (any european culture) and (any european culture)?

Alians and humans.

GP
07-04-2003, 13:03:04
Well for a light social satire against Coca-colonization and marketing in general, read Jennefir Government.

Hmmm. Huxley wrote a couple other books but they don't stick out in the mind as much. I think one was about unrest on an island in the Pacific.

hmmm. I guess, it seems like you like more social stuff than me. THE ROGUE QUEEN would work. Do you have interlibrary loan in Belguim?

Jon Miller part Deux
07-04-2003, 14:35:17
there is a cool society in Cyteen

Jon Miller

moomin
07-04-2003, 15:45:04
Society? Aristoi, by Walter John Williams. Where the voices in your head rule the world.

Noisy
07-04-2003, 19:06:31
Society? 'The Left Hand of Darkness' by Ursula K. LeGuin. (But then I would say that, wouldn't I.) Or 'The Dispossessed', of course.

Darkstar
10-04-2003, 04:42:24
You don't like thick books? Get it as an ebook. Then the 'heft' of the book is always the same. ;)