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PosterBoy
01-04-2003, 13:47:15
Anyone know of a good card which would let me record 2 inputs simultaneously (ie guitar and vocals) to 2 different tracks.

Or do most do this?

protein
01-04-2003, 13:59:27
You will have to get a decent magazine like "sound on sound" (industry magazine) or "future music" (home recording magazine).

I recommend getting a four/eight/sixteen track and spunking off the computer idea unless you are planning on getting a shit load of outboard equipment. You can get an 8 track for the price of a soundcard.

PosterBoy
01-04-2003, 14:03:56
I like the pc for the graphical format of the wave for post production.

protein
01-04-2003, 14:14:12
So do I. Post production you can do on your pc.
If you are going to go down the pc route, get a card with several channels. You will also have to buy a mixing desk.

protein
01-04-2003, 14:40:56
I record on my 16-track with full control over each track (eq, dynamics, effects etc) and then any post production I do on my pc. It's cheaper for better results.

PosterBoy
01-04-2003, 14:46:26
so you record all your tracks and then move the unmastered tracks to pc?

protein
01-04-2003, 14:57:36
could do. I prefer to have my hands on real controls to mix and then I will master the final stereo track on the pc.

I am writing a track on Reason on my pc which will then go onto the 16-track so I can add drums then it will go back on to the pc for some clever editing and general fucking up - probably in cakewalk.

PosterBoy
01-04-2003, 15:05:19
It's so complicated to a simple acoustic guitarist like me.

Funkodrom
01-04-2003, 15:13:58
Get a simple 4 track, put your 2 inputs into that output to PC.

protein
01-04-2003, 15:16:10
http://www.musicmart-mag.co.uk/content/features/default.asp?Category=Article&ID=71
There are four tracks for hardly anything now.

PosterBoy
01-04-2003, 15:49:03
I've got a porta 05 bloody awlful thing. It's gathering dust now.

Funkodrom
01-04-2003, 15:51:09
All you want it for is getting the 2 channels into the PC...

protein
01-04-2003, 16:16:22
There are good PC cards with about 8 inputs. You could run cakewalk or cubase vst with them. Get a cheap sound card and spend the real money on some good mics.

And download this to learn how to record things better. It's free.
http://www.studiobuddy.com/index.html
It is really good. It has good tips on which mics and mic placement for every occasion.

protein
02-04-2003, 08:07:38
bump

Vincent
02-04-2003, 09:08:18
I got this one, it's OK:
this is a link, you donkey (http://www.americas.creative.com/products/product.asp?product=251&category=464&maincategory=461)
I recommend you buy some main stream stuff. I had a expensive german high tech audio board (Terratec aka Terrortech) with no driver support for XP...

PosterBoy
02-04-2003, 09:35:43
isn't it only one channel input though. I think something like the echo layla


Studio buddy is very handy

PosterBoy
02-04-2003, 09:42:22
or a cheaper echo audio card!

protein
02-04-2003, 09:43:24
I still can't get a great acoustic sound though. I might try a SM57 on the fret board and a PZM in front of the sound hole and pan them left and right.

PosterBoy
02-04-2003, 10:16:42
I like the sound from my Fishman rare earth blend, it's a special magnetic pickup and mic which you can ...blend cost me 300 but well worth it.

Vincent
02-04-2003, 10:30:21
I think stereo-recording may give you the best results, but it's very tricky

Vincent
02-04-2003, 10:44:27
I tried it using an AKG C3000 and a SM57. The sound of the guitag was great, though I had to fix it with a lot of EQ

protein
02-04-2003, 10:45:29
a bit boomy?

Vincent
02-04-2003, 12:22:28
Not at all. Instead some significant holes at the lower mid freqencies, probably because of the mic phases. Maybe you can correct that by adjusting the angle (I had arranged them in an L shape) of the mics and finding out the best position, but I finally deceided not to record the thingy so I canceled the experiment.
Using EQ the sound was quite nice.

protein
02-04-2003, 12:37:20
I've learned all about subtractive EQing recently. It seems that that was where I've been going wrong in the past. Boosting instead of cutting.

Is your SM57 noisy? I can't get it to a decent level without getting a lot of hiss. I want to know if it is the pre-amps on my 16-track.

C.G.B. Spender
02-04-2003, 17:36:11
Probably they are, I didn't had significant problems with the SM57, but I used a Limiter/Noise gate and the Behringer Denoiser and it did an excellent job.
Usually the preamps are a big part the problem ... and PC monitors

Funkodrom
03-04-2003, 08:14:17
Might be 'cause your 16 track is right next to the computer?