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Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:04:38
Let's get some criteria down.

Required items-

Guitars
Bass
Drums

Clothing- Black. I've heard there are other colours, but what's the point?

Influences-

Elvis
Link Wray
Bo Diddley

Feel free to add more items, or refine them. Then the fights can really start.

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:06:41
Incidentally, I maintain that Vox amps are more inherently Rock'n'Roll than Marshalls, because Marshalls are Rawk.

Another thing, and it's a controversial one. The Les Paul is more Rock'n'Roll than the Strat. However, is it more Rock'n'Roll than the Telecaster?

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:07:45
Should Rock'n'Roll artist be righteous, or dangerous?

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:12:17
Keyboards. Do they have a place in Rock'n'Roll?

If they do, is it restricted to Hammonds and Mellotrons?

Scabrous Birdseed
29-03-2003, 17:12:38
There needs to be some sort of upper age limit. I'm well aware of the coolness credentials of several older rockers, but can you imagine the following conversation: "I'm 43!" "Rock!"? Exactly.

Scabrous Birdseed
29-03-2003, 17:14:43
Which, come to think of it, probably leads to the necessity of either an acrimonious, mutually destructive breakup or a good clean Rock 'n' Roll death.

Scabrous Birdseed
29-03-2003, 17:16:17
Innocence or decadence?

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:21:56
I can live with an upper age limit in "Rock", but this is Rock'n'Roll. Rock'n'Roll permits wrinkles and wisdom, providing the person in question still knows the value of being dumb.

Take Link Wray. He must be about 70, but he's definitely Rock'n'Roll. Anyone who gets new sounds out of his amp by kicking it until it makes sounds he likes, then keeps kicking them to change it again, is Rock'n'Roll. Even if he does only have one lung.

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:22:40
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
Innocence or decadence?

Got to be decadence. Righteousness has a place in Rock'n'Roll, but not innocence.

Debaser
29-03-2003, 17:34:53
The John Spencer Blues Explosion have all the necessary rock n roll credentials (the bass/2nd guitar guy even collects Telecasters and Vox amps). They're not actually very good though.

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:36:32
Yep. John Spencer scores very highly on the Rock'n'Roll league, let down only by the fact that most of his songs are shit.

Boss Hog score higher. Christina Martinez used to pose naked on their covers. Rock'n'Roll.

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:37:19
Were the Stooges more Rock'n'Roll than MC5?

Debaser
29-03-2003, 17:47:24
Iggy Pop was/is more rock'n'roll than any individual member of MC5, but as a band MC5 score higher I reckon. They must score extra points for only ever releasing one proper album (live albums excepted). Also musically the Stooges weren't really rock'n'roll, more straight ahead rock.

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 17:50:22
They've got to lose points for the first MC5 album.

"Great intro! Great intro! Oh! It's shit."

Scabrous Birdseed
29-03-2003, 19:09:10
Yup, Link Wray is Rock'n'Roll at whatever his age is. Real attitude with age is very much that. But was he Rock'n'Roll at age 43?

If I question Iggy's Rock 'n' Roll credentials it would be on grounds of occasionally weaving off the animal sex appeal path into slightly disgusting animal who gauds bikers into throwing beer bottles at him.

*End Is Forever*
29-03-2003, 20:57:59
Are the Libertines Rock N Roll?

Scabrous Birdseed
29-03-2003, 21:05:52
Not jaw-droppingly so.

*End Is Forever*
29-03-2003, 21:07:40
No, thought not.

King_Ghidra@home
29-03-2003, 21:32:37
Looking at the criteria, i can see Ozzy Osbourne, Axl Rose and Bruce Dickinson entering the fray. I'd go with Ozzy.

Actually i think axl rose was a bit of a pussy, but having that great anagram name must be worth some points.

In fact i'd now like to be known as King_Refusca as a tribute

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 23:07:23
They all lose marks for being Rawk. Then consider the following....

Axl Rose covered a Wings song, so he is permanently banned from being Rock'n'Roll.

Bruce Dickinson went to a jolly good public school. He's also not Rock'n'Roll.

Ozzy? He's just about hanging in there.

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-03-2003, 23:08:31
Being Rawk isn't an automatic disqualification. Lemmy is definitely Rock'n'Roll, as are Queens of the Stone Age.

Debaser
29-03-2003, 23:47:49
As are all the members of Motley Crue.

simpleton
30-03-2003, 00:32:24
Even though I'm not a fan of his music, Gene Vincent would piss on all of the new wave of "rock" bands.

- "Minneapolis police today arrested a carfull of suspects wanted for questioning in the robbery-murder of a Rochester, Minn. service station attendant...the leader of the gang was Gene Vincent of Dallas, Texas"

- Upon returning to Los Angeles, he went on a three-day bender that finally destroyed the already alcerated lining of his stomach. Upon the day of his death he had stopped drinking that day. His sister, Donna, said "I really believe Gene knew he was going to die and he had always said he did not want to die drunk. I believe that is why he quit drinking that day."

- "Gene was his own worst emeny. He popped a lot of pills. He'd break his leg cast in every town. (because of wild stage antics) Then in the next town we'd have to hunt up a doctor and get a new cast."

- "Gene was the embodiment of the libidinous, defiant tension upon which rock 'n' roll was founded and continues to flourish. In rock history, it was Gene Vincent who first donned the all black leather stage gear that's since become a punk rock and heavy metal hallmark. It was Vincent who first developed the menacing stage swagger (out of necessity, with a crippled leg), frenetic delivery and delinquent, rebellious persona still emulated by rockers some 25 years after his death."

Lazarus and the Gimp
30-03-2003, 07:29:08
Gene Vincent was very Rock'n'Roll. He was up there.

Motley Crue? Good attitude, but bad hair. Plus, there was all that spandex. Not major penalties, but enough to drag them off the top.

Lazarus and the Gimp
30-03-2003, 07:31:08
Now the Jesus and Mary Chain were like a stick of rock, with "Rock'nRoll" all the way down it. Riots at their shows, getting songs banned by Mike Smith, splitting up due to an onstage punch-up.

Of the modern batch, they're right at the top.

Scabrous Birdseed
30-03-2003, 08:49:53
Oh no. They're British. That might be an asset for Rawk, but definately not for Rock 'n' Roll.

Scabrous Birdseed
30-03-2003, 08:53:38
Plus they have suspectly intellectual credentials.

Scud Wallaby
30-03-2003, 20:25:43
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Now the Jesus and Mary Chain were like a stick of rock, with "Rock'nRoll" all the way down it. Riots at their shows, getting songs banned by Mike Smith, splitting up due to an onstage punch-up.

Of the modern batch, they're right at the top.

I saw them live in 1987. It was scary.

-Scud-

eh
31-03-2003, 04:35:04
The Birthday Party

BigGameHunter
31-03-2003, 07:11:59
Obvious: AC/DC

Not so obvious: The Pixies (saw them live...man, did they rock!!!)

PosterBoy
31-03-2003, 09:33:20
The Replacements

paiktis22
31-03-2003, 10:12:05
Ramones ("marked" for life from their concerts, they really were awesome, the quantressential rock band inmy mind, even if they were pop)

Jesus and Mary Chain, they have that very unique feeling of not giving a fuck dressed in a je m'enfoutisme self destruction lullaby which is most charming.

The Dandy Warhols (dripped in honey like but still rock IMO)

old Metalica! (even if it's like a can - conservated food?! kind of concerts)

Placebo (too hyped but still rock on stage)

BECK! (one of the most energetic performers, scrapping the bounerdy line of rock - since energetic by itself doesn't mean much, rollins band is full of energy but it's still shit on stage IMO)

16 Horsepower, on a VERY good day can really rock.

Apart from those whom I've seen in action, I'd imagine that Shane McGowan (sp?) and the Popes could rock the stage as well.

Debaser
31-03-2003, 12:10:06
I think somewhere in this thread we've crossed the line between rock'n'roll and Rock!

I knew I shouldn't have mentioned Motley Crue.

BigGameHunter
31-03-2003, 16:00:38
Shane McGowan is a decrepit drunk and puts on an absolutely miserable performance most of the time.

The Replacements puked all over the place when they came through Portland way back when...the lead singer flung himself through a plate-glass window and was subsequently beaten by an angry Chinese woman with a broom. Their next album said "sorry, Portland" in the vinyl margin.

A band you probably don't know, but was the stuff of local punk rock legend is Poison Idea...very, very rocking.

BigGameHunter
31-03-2003, 16:05:03
Shit, how could I forget Tori Amos?!?

Provost Harrison
31-03-2003, 16:54:27
Terry Wogan...how much more 'rock' can you get than The Floral Dance? :lol:

Lazarus and the Gimp
31-03-2003, 16:57:38
I half-remember Poison Idea. Wasn't one of them a big fat biffa?

Lazarus and the Gimp
31-03-2003, 16:58:28
Oh yes. The Replacements were seriously Rock'n'Roll.

BigGameHunter
31-03-2003, 17:15:48
Yes, Poison Idea had a lead man named Jerry A and a guitarist called Pig Champion. As I recall, they were all large, bloated alcoholic types. Here's a fan's site that covers them pretty well: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~cch223/usa/poisonidea_main.html

BigGameHunter
31-03-2003, 17:26:04
They used to play at Satyricon, one of the best music venues, ever. Check it out: http://www.users.qwest.net/~clubsatyricon/

Lazarus and the Gimp
31-03-2003, 19:00:49
Yes- that was them. I saw them live once. They were all bladdered and were all over the place.

Lazarus and the Gimp
31-03-2003, 19:01:50
Guitars, then. Which is the true believer's axe?

BigGameHunter
31-03-2003, 21:44:34
Fender Stratacaster. Or a Flying V if we're going the "metal" route.
Whatever Randy Rhoades played.

Scabrous Birdseed
01-04-2003, 11:14:59
The Strat? Poser's Rawk guitar.

I reckon it's gotta be something semiacoustic. Or at the very least a Les Paul and an amp with several holes punched into it using a screwdriver and/or razor blades.

I'd also have to disagree about the Black clothing. While deflowering the local Mayor's twin daughters at the same time, the real Rock 'n' Roller should wear nothing but his quiff and a pair of blue suede shoes.

PosterBoy
01-04-2003, 13:55:09
The telecaster is the most RocknRoll guitar

Nope I tell a lie it has to be the Gretsch White Falcon

http://www.rockpalace.com/products/images/gretschwhitefalcon.jpg

Lazarus and the Gimp
01-04-2003, 16:53:30
Gretsch guitars are very Rock'n'Roll.

I see I missed a mention of Beck. Sorry. He shagged Winona Ryder, which utterly rules him out.

paiktis22
01-04-2003, 19:14:13
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Gretsch guitars are very Rock'n'Roll.

I see I missed a mention of Beck. Sorry. He shagged Winona Ryder, which utterly rules him out.

He did?

Then it does! Out of spite :cry:

paiktis22
01-04-2003, 19:39:43
About guitars I'm afraid I'll have to be unbearably unoriginal.

http://www.derringers.com.au/prod_images/58intro.jpg

(different colour though)