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Funkodrom
11-03-2003, 13:02:29
http://www.musicianassist.com/archive/article/ART/a-1098-1.htm

protein
11-03-2003, 13:06:01
quick summary? I aint got all day innit.

Debaser
11-03-2003, 13:15:43
Record companies = Cunts

Funkodrom
11-03-2003, 13:27:21
Basically. Although really, major labels = cunts.

Scabrous Birdseed
11-03-2003, 13:33:54
Having had no experience of this sort of thing at all (Making me perfect A&R man material, apparently ;)), the only thing I can heartfeltly agree with is the bit about sound trends and adjectives. There has been a massive tendency to do entirely the wrong things to music for the past decade or so, in a sort of nasty blanket way where every band is made to sound the same.

I would guess this article is a couple of years old though, I think in many aspects the one-ethos deadlocks have been broken. Not least because of increased global influx, but also because of the latest garagey trend, like it or not...

Funkodrom
11-03-2003, 14:02:03
It is an old essay. It's still accurate though, just the most recent trends have moved on a bit. You can't say that the one-ethos deadlock has changed just because now everyone's using the same lo-fi production techniques. :D

Scabrous Birdseed
11-03-2003, 14:05:28
Also, I disagree with his definition of a producer. Surely it's the engineer who makes the band sound good, while the producer is a person with a good ear for sound who (ideally) co-writes and arranges the songs, tells all the instrumentalists what to play and mixes the final product? Certainly the majority of really brilliant producers have not come from an engineering but a musical background, Junjo Lawes excepted. If Jerry Harrison's stuff sounds predictable, might it not be the engineers' fault?

Scabrous Birdseed
11-03-2003, 14:07:03
Originally posted by Funkodrom
It is an old essay. It's still accurate though, just the most recent trends have moved on a bit. You can't say that the one-ethos deadlock has changed just because now everyone's using the same lo-fi production techniques. :D

They aren't really though- Missy Elliott and The Kills sound nothing like each other! ;)

Funkodrom
11-03-2003, 14:21:31
That doesn't mean that they aren't both using similar engineering techniques. :D

He's also, I think, mainly criticising the sloppy engineers and producers not the good ones.

I think your point about a producer not being an engineer is reasonable, assuming the producer has a good engineer to work with and doesn't also try and record the band.

Resource Consumer
11-03-2003, 16:45:39
I thought Steve Albini was dead...

Scabrous Birdseed
11-03-2003, 16:59:20
That's Kurt Cobain you're thinking of. I know, it's hard for you to keep track of all these young music stars these days.

Eklektikos
11-03-2003, 17:08:11
I just wish Shellac would play over here again sometime :(

Resource Consumer
12-03-2003, 11:34:39
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
That's Kurt Cobain you're thinking of. I know, it's hard for you to keep track of all these young music stars these days.

I play air walking stick these days...

PosterBoy
13-03-2003, 15:10:59
Steve Albini has been producing some Alt Country bands recently.

I know he did Robbie Fulks' 1st album

Eklektikos
13-03-2003, 15:24:11
So anyway, what is the problem with music by Steve Albini?

Scabrous Birdseed
13-03-2003, 16:21:23
He's not as strong a songwriter as he fancies himself being, and often lacks the ability to keep interest up throughout a song. Also, for someone with the supposed engineering credentials he has, some of his own music is extraordinarily badly mixed and recorded.

Other than that I like much of his stuff. Hell, I put a Big Black song on LWP3.