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Funkodrom
24-01-2003, 16:51:09
http://www.counterglow.com/article.php?id=reading03

Scabrous Birdseed
24-01-2003, 16:54:56
You misplaced one of the <p>'s.

Funkodrom
24-01-2003, 16:55:32
Fixed.

Not sure I dare link that to the other bands!

Scabrous Birdseed
24-01-2003, 16:56:23
Please do. It'd get more posters on counterglow!

Scabrous Birdseed
24-01-2003, 16:59:36
Somehow I think I felt more positively about all of these acts at the time. Not sure.

Funkodrom
24-01-2003, 17:06:58
Well...

I liked Yankee 99er. I thought some of their songs were really good, some great rock riffs in there. Didn't know anything about them before they played so they were a pleasant surprise.

Ziegler don't play the kind of music I normally listen to but I enjoyed their set quite a lot. They were a lot better live than they sounded on their mp3s I thought.

Pengamok I didn't see much of because we were tuning and sorting our shit out for the band change over but they seemed to be having fun. I missed the sitting down bit but I did have to dodge out of the way on my way from the gear area to the bar as Slap leapt off the stage onto the dancefloor.

We definitely faded as the set went on. And we were supposed to do another song but we ran out of time (they cut everyones set because of the late start)

Left Side Brain are great. I thought they played really well and I really enjoyed it, seen them what, 5 or 6 times now and they've always been good.

Mightytree
24-01-2003, 17:07:31
Great article. :lol:

Funkodrom
24-01-2003, 17:10:45
Why didn't he tell us what he really thought!

:nervous:

Mightytree
24-01-2003, 17:12:48
Who cares. It's funny as hell when Scabby rants about music. :D

Scabrous Birdseed
24-01-2003, 17:13:55
I did. Stop faffing about and making clean records already, embrace the lo-fi!

protein
24-01-2003, 19:12:42
I was really nervous about this review but I agree with all of it. Except I wouldn't have been so harsh. It takes a lot of guts to be in a band and musicians (well, I am) are sensitive.

Thanks Scabby!

protein
24-01-2003, 20:07:14
I thought Yankee 99ers were not great. The singer was clearly a drama student and they opened with a drum solo. The singer had a cowboy hat. :hmm:

Zeigler were ok and the bassist was a cool guy.

Pengamok had an off day I hope because they weren't very good. Shame because Slap is also a nice guy.

I couldn't really work out if we were good.

Then Left Side Brain - who I like personally but I don't dig musically - played really well.

Provost Harrison
24-01-2003, 21:04:18
You've got to remember that Bucky doesn't pull his punches, he is brutally honest (well, in his opinion anyway :D)

He certainly had some salient points regarding the bands, although I feel he was a tad harsh on LSB. SUM were the best band of the night IMO, the middle band were painful, the first two where pretty good along with LSB. Just the middle band miffed me a bit, they just weren't up to the calibre of the others...

Scabrous Birdseed
25-01-2003, 01:19:33
I think it came across as too harsh as well- I didn't dislike any band except LSB really.

The Shaker
25-01-2003, 11:31:33
Missed Yankee 99ers

Zeigler just didn't cut it, but oddjob was playing for them so that was ok.


Pengamok were different, and i liked them for that at first..but they dragged somewhat.

Sodding Uber brain were good, they keep improving, which is always handy for a band..and they made me laugh quite a lot.

LSB, ...well I like LSB, but I thought sounds wise it was one of their less effective gigs. Watching them chase round their revolving miscrophones was fun. The gig at the fez was much better though.

Funkodrom
26-01-2003, 10:52:21
Why aren't we called Sodding Uber Brain?

Nills Lagerbaak
27-01-2003, 12:41:32
Yeah, fair and balanced review Scabby! Cheers (by that I mean fairly balanced with a welcome critical eye....)

Funkodrom
27-01-2003, 12:44:45
LSB sound and look awesome, but sadly need to grow up.

What does that mean? We are the ones with songs about Zombies.

Nills Lagerbaak
27-01-2003, 13:02:59
I know. But I think they are aimed at a younger audiance. Maybe it's intentional, but you gotta like what you play yeah?

Anyway, I am working on the premis that noone can understand our lyrics (at least for the old songs)

Funkodrom
27-01-2003, 13:04:55
I'm a little insulted by that. I like their stuff a lot.

Funkodrom
27-01-2003, 13:06:32
And maybe a bit of a sense of perspective (ok ignore my title) we have still only done two gigs. They've done dozens including things like Ashton Court and they always go down well.

Nills Lagerbaak
27-01-2003, 13:15:00
Hey, every man's music tast is his/her own!

I just find it a little immature. Great to bop to in a club, but not to listen to at home.

Funkodrom
27-01-2003, 13:18:10
Nothing wrong with that! :D

Nills Lagerbaak
27-01-2003, 13:26:11
Just telling it as it is - no offence my LSB brethren!

protein
27-01-2003, 13:28:15
They are the most professional sounding band I've known since Riser.

I think if you put Left Side Brain on MTV2 nobody would notice the difference. Which is excellent for Funko's taste but not for mine.

I wish they had a music channel for me. :(

protein
27-01-2003, 13:28:58
As long as the big hairy one doen't get me.

Funkodrom
27-01-2003, 13:30:44
I don't like most of what's on MTV2. Some of it is good though.

Nills Lagerbaak
27-01-2003, 13:31:45
Yeah, somehow I think MTV3 won't be what either of us dreamed it might, Protein

protein
27-01-2003, 13:42:39
Since (in my opinion) there are usually under 5 good song a year and in very different genres, no channel like that will spring up.

Funkodrom
27-01-2003, 13:46:00
Less than 5 good songs a year? :eek:

What do you get with a Smashing Pumpkins album then, 2 years worth in a go?

protein
27-01-2003, 15:18:19
I've thought about it now and I think I meant popular songs.

If we included Sonic Undermind songs it would be quite different.

Funkodrom
27-01-2003, 15:19:57
Loads of gig pictures on the website now. Well 10 anyway.

john ross
01-02-2003, 10:21:33
hmmmn. Having attended the gig in question I am bemused. It is understood that it is easy to be "witty" and "clever" by slating everything. However, knowing that the reviewer spent the night before at the house of a memeber of the one band that got a good review does raise some questions. Such as was their any botty sex involved

One thing I thought was clear when the Left Side Brain came on stage. There was a professional quality to the band that made them stand out from all of the others that appeared that night. Not just a a high level of musical competance but stage presence, which was lacking for many of the acts that night. Left side brain have energy in their music if you like the songs or not.

Also, why offer advice to people you've just slated? do you think they're going to take carefull notes and follow up. I have some advice passed down from my mother "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." As someone intrusted to write reviews their is no point slating every aspect of a band. find something good to say. remember your supposed to present a balenced review, cos people want to know what it's like not just what your opinion is. You have oboviously become addicted to listening to yourself being "clever". May be this is an example of low self asteem. If you want my advice: Try going on a diet and shaving that daft beard, then see if your a bit nicer to people you don't know. May be you'll have the balls to stand on stage and play an instrument yourself.

Resource Consumer
01-02-2003, 10:50:07
How's life at Southfork these days?

john ross
01-02-2003, 11:24:48
Sue ellens lingerie buisness has packed up, so viewing figures have dropped. Bobby has suggested we make the series all out porn to boost the figures

john ross
01-02-2003, 11:37:48
One more quick question:
the following quote from the review:
"..........equivalents of those World’s Worst Signer contests."
is this a contest to root out the dead wood for those people on late night tele translating for the hard off hearing?

Resource Consumer
01-02-2003, 12:01:50
Originally posted by john ross
Sue ellens lingerie buisness has packed up, so viewing figures have dropped. Bobby has suggested we make the series all out porn to boost the figures

I am sure that stetson goes down a storm in Reading:D

john ross
01-02-2003, 12:41:59
...............and maidenhead.....guilford, tadley the whole region really.

Resource Consumer
01-02-2003, 12:49:47
Jesus...they let stetsons in Guildford these days. What do the squaddies do...take pot shots?

Funkodrom
03-02-2003, 09:21:19
No response from Scabby?

I can't work out who john ross is. Clearly someone I know but I don't know who.

King_Ghidra
03-02-2003, 11:18:36
yeah, it's bugging me too...

obviously someone who knows both you and scabby though...

Funkodrom
03-02-2003, 11:26:35
Or who met him on the day.

King_Ghidra
03-02-2003, 11:38:01
well yeah i didn't mean know in the biblical sense :rolleyes: :lol:

Scabrous Birdseed
03-02-2003, 14:41:09
I feel I did say something good about every band (like I said, I felt I should have praised Yankee 99er more, but found it easier to write this way), except Left Side Brain who're a scrourge to music with their fucking expensive equipment and their bloody professionalism and their bullshit songs. You're not a supporter of them by any chance? The stage presence was absolute bloody zero, big, awkward men doing fuck-all to engage the audience. They were S-H-I-T. Bloody fucking awful immoral affronts to dignity and music. Bah Humbug.

I also have to say that if standing up for your opinions is a sign of low self-esteem, then Mr. Anonymous here clearly is the bravest man in the world. :)

(World's Worst Singer contests were the Extreme Ironing of a few years ago- basically people who're chronically tone-deaf but who like having a good time trying to outdo each other in singing as badly as humanly possible. It's much more difficult than you'd think. I quite admire the Pengamok boys- they're clearly having a hell of a lot of fun doing what they do, however bad it is.)

Funkodrom
03-02-2003, 14:54:14
Why on earth is having good equipment and being professional bad?

As we were using exactly the same kit as Left Side Brain why didn't we get the same criticism as them for that? And does that mean we were unprofessional? :bash: I would love our band to have the kind of kit they've got. I'm sure we will eventually when we can afford it.

Not liking their music is one thing but I don't think that being professional and having decent equipment is something that it's worth slating a band for.

As for their performance I thought they were the most engaging band that I saw that night (totally impossible to judge ourselves on that score). They got people dancing, everyone I was standing with was really into it. If they didn't engage you then that's one thing but to say they didn't engage the crowd is putting your perception of the gig onto what other people thought, something that clearly wasn't born out by the crowd reaction.

And yes, I know that you are being semi-ironic and just taking matters to even greater extremes just for the fun of it, but thought I should say that anyway. :beer:

The Shaker
03-02-2003, 14:58:06
Funko, who knows your full name then?

Funkodrom
03-02-2003, 15:00:45
Lots of people.

The Shaker
03-02-2003, 15:10:38
even the sweaty buttock part?

Debaser
03-02-2003, 15:55:43
Originally posted by john ross
...............and maidenhead.....guilford, tadley the whole region really.

It's this part that intrigues me. Who do you know that would namecheck these places when talking about this area? I'm guessing not someone too local.

The Shaker
03-02-2003, 16:19:51
???

protein
03-02-2003, 16:24:03
If I saw Blink 182 at Bar Oz I'd say that they were professional and had good equipment. I'd also say that they were fucking awful.

Scabrous Birdseed
03-02-2003, 16:33:00
What I should be trying to say is that they're using their equipment, their rack of four bloody Fenders etc. as a crutch, as if they'd bought the equipment without having the competence to use them properly first. The result just feels... bland. If they'd given it time to build up an interesting sound first I feel they could have been better, but I think the expensive guitars is a sign of how easy and straight the sailing must have been for them. Which, of course, is never a good sign for the quality of a band.

Funkodrom
03-02-2003, 17:11:05
You have made a lot of assumptions about them which just aren't true. They have good equipment because they work hard and so that they can get good equipment. They are probably the hardest working band I know, to the extent that Ollie quit his job to manage the band full time, which obviously means the rest of the band need to support that. He said to me it was the hardest job he'd ever had and he put more hours into it than any job he's ever had.

Sure, if they were a bunch of 16 year olds with amazing equipment that mummy had bought them, you'd have a point. That's not the case though. They've got good equipment because they think it's important to sound good and a priority when they are spending money.

Personally I probably didn't appreciate quite how hard they really do work until we started taking the band seriously and we started to do all that work ourselves.

As to Blink 182 being shit, what you mean is that you wouldn't like their music. They are one of the best bands in the world at what they do, it's just that you don't like what they do. Which is fair enough, and you're totally within your rights to think that.

Funkodrom
03-02-2003, 17:12:20
And I think they are all good musicians too. G and Ollie are both much better guitarists than me for a start.

protein
03-02-2003, 17:14:52
Hmm. I thought people write music based on the music they like and their personal taste. I don't think it is down to whether you can afford a better guitar. I also don't think Left Side Brain would be any different if they weren't a rich band. They would still be good technical musicians.

Funkodrom
03-02-2003, 18:26:41
They aren't a rich band. They are a poor band because they spend all their money on equipment, touring, transport, promotions etc. etc.

Scabrous Birdseed
03-02-2003, 18:26:50
Sounding good has very little to do with good equipment. Some of the best music in the history of the world was created on absolute shit- take Lee Perry, possibly the man to advance technical production the most in history. In the mid-seventies he did all of his really, really groundbreaking stuff on a four-track, for gods sake. You can find similar examples of excellent music done on inferior equipment, and vice versa, dotted around history. Maybe I'm a bit hasty to find a positive correlation between the expensive and the shit (although I do think that it's easier to make shit music on good equipment because so much of the sonic landscape is done for you), but you sure as hell can't find a negative correlation either.

Nor do I think technical proficiency is an indicator of how good a musician you are. Some of the most memorable music in history has been created, spontaneously, by people with very little clue what they're doing. Though, taste, feel, energy and creative spirit are way more important than always hitting the right note at the right time.

That's why I ask of any band that seem to have suspiciously good equipment, or have spent suspiciously long amounts of time learning Mad Guitar Skillz, what are they trying to cover up? Why are they working so hard in these less-important areas? Insecurity in their ability to do decently elsewhere?

(As an aside, many of the best musicians in history have been great technical masters as well, working on the very best of equipment. I'm not saying it's not important, it's just not AS important.)

Debaser
03-02-2003, 19:49:52
Fair enough you didn't like Left Side Brain, but that's no reason to judge them as people or a band based on arbitrary observations of their equipment.

If Lee "Scratch" Perry created towering works of genius on a four-track, just think how good he could have been with a digital 16-track.

john ross
03-02-2003, 21:13:20
Re: the worlds worst singer competition buisness. I guessed what it was, I was actually pointing out your spelling error and making a "joke". you see you wrote "signer" not "singer". therefore implying some one who interprets for the deaf.

Get it? should I give up?

P.S. Baroness Orcy would be proud of my anonimity.......
P.P.S is their not a little graphic I can put in here that suggests you are a joey deacon style spastic????

Nills Lagerbaak
04-02-2003, 09:14:43
blah blag blah

Funkodrom
04-02-2003, 09:53:50
Er...

I think you might have your facts confused dude.

Nills Lagerbaak
04-02-2003, 10:01:05
No.

protein
04-02-2003, 10:04:25
They are all very proficient technical musicians. So were Guns'n'roses, Stereophonics, Black Lace...

That's the last thing I'll say.

I remember when...
04-02-2003, 10:12:11
Originally posted by protein
They are all very proficient technical musicians. So were Guns'n'roses, Stereophonics, Black Lace...

That's the last thing I'll say.

But the Stereophonics are great (after all they are welsh) and Black Lace were the 80's version of Sonic Undermind (tongue in cheek lyrics with funny tunes, oh and silly haircuts).

So I think your point is not valid.

Anyway, when are SU going to get involved in the local battle of the bands? I believe it is held at a local girls school. I'm sure Nills would appreciate that.:love:

Funkodrom
04-02-2003, 10:17:03
I'm sure we all would!

What kind of battle? Guns? Knives? Swords? Martial arts? Buckaroo?

Funkodrom
04-02-2003, 10:19:23
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
No.

No, seriously dude, you have.

Nills Lagerbaak
04-02-2003, 10:37:42
Originally posted by Funkodrom
No, seriously dude, you have.

I don't think so "dude". It is from the highest of authorities, trust me.

protein
04-02-2003, 11:01:29
Hey. Chill pill everybody. It isn't important.

The Shaker
04-02-2003, 11:09:18
YES IT IS!!!!


What was it?
:cute:

Mr Head
13-02-2003, 20:59:16
Originally posted by Mightytree
Who cares. It's funny as hell when Scabby rants about music. :D

I think this just about sums it up really. 'Scabby' is obviously labouring under the false impression that he is funny when he's writing his oh-so-witty and scathing band reviews. it's pretty lame really. Does someone need to pull Mightytree out of Birdseed's ass?

Scabrous Birdseed
13-02-2003, 21:05:26
Jesus! Another anonymous bloody poster and another personal attack! It's just a review people, get over it. :rolleyes:

MattHiggs
13-02-2003, 21:14:49
Pfft another one of Snappy's obviouslly homosexually repressed reviews. Oops forgot to register a name.

MattHiggs
13-02-2003, 21:15:27
Hmm that was a poor spelling of obviously.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-02-2003, 21:17:20
So you're saying my homosexuality is repressing my views? Could be.

Mr Head
13-02-2003, 21:18:14
But surely Scabby, you have written a review to make your opinion heard, the same reason people post replies - make up your mind which way you want things.

Scabrous Birdseed
13-02-2003, 21:25:41
I want people to stop taking what I write as a mortal insult and challenging me to an (anonymous :rolleyes: ) duel in the ring of death.

It's just a review, harmless bit of fun expressing an opinion. Cut and thrust of the debate, a few pieces of mild banter, a bit of analytical nonsense, fun to write, for some people fun to read. Can't we leave it at that? Must we drag the personages into it?

protein
14-02-2003, 08:41:21
They are his personal views. It's not as if an impressionable psycho is going to read it and kill Left Side Brain. Why didn't anyone else post their own review to balance it out?

Funkodrom
14-02-2003, 09:43:53
That's a good question!

I didn't want to do one 'cause I didn't really pay enough attention to the bands to write a review. If I'm watching with reviewing in mind I make mental notes about stuff I want to say.

However, people could always read my Left Side Brain - Big Bang Theory album review:

http://www.counterglow.com/article.php?id=review_lsbbbt

Or this review I did of them from the Metal Hammer Tour:

http://www.josaka.com/Reviews/2002/MetalHammerTour271002.htm

Funkodrom
14-02-2003, 09:44:40
Oh and just wondering... Mr. Head, are you the same Mr. Head that used to be the PE teacher at Maiden Erleigh?

Nills Lagerbaak
14-02-2003, 10:33:00
Or are you an insane head, carried around in a wicker basket by your older brother?

King_Ghidra
14-02-2003, 10:37:51
:lol: Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

One of the guys at work just bought basket case 1 & 2 on DVD

protein
14-02-2003, 10:38:31
Nills. Come to Reading and set up the amp this weekend. It is your last chance before the giglet.

protein
14-02-2003, 10:39:01
Alternatively, Funko, Can you lend me some leads?

Nills Lagerbaak
14-02-2003, 10:42:34
Originally posted by King_Ghidra
:lol: Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

One of the guys at work just bought basket case 1 & 2 on DVD

MAXIMUM respec is due! Good work to that man!!!

(Where's a "Smiley in a basket" smiley when you need one eh?)

Nills Lagerbaak
14-02-2003, 10:47:57
Basket case 1 - Do not snigger....at the thing in the wicker

Basket Case 2 - Dr Freak and The house of Freaks


I kid you not

Funkodrom
14-02-2003, 10:58:39
Originally posted by protein
Alternatively, Funko, Can you lend me some leads?

I only have 2 leads now so if I do I won't be able to practice. How many do you need?

protein
14-02-2003, 11:05:55
I'll have a look tonight.

King_Ghidra
14-02-2003, 11:11:06
Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak
Basket Case 2 - Dr Freak and The house of Freaks


My cowie thinks it might be Dr Phreak spelled like that

Nills Lagerbaak
14-02-2003, 11:12:14
Phat!

Funkodrom
14-02-2003, 11:13:03
I have only seen Basket Case 2, the love scene between the two severed siamese kids. :lol:

Nills Lagerbaak
14-02-2003, 11:21:05
In number one, there is a scene where the fully formed brother is screwing some girl. Balziel (the head) then sneaks into the room and steals her knickers.

The next shot is from inside the wicker basket which has Balziel wearing her knickers over his head and sniffing them.

Funkodrom
14-02-2003, 11:28:58
:lol:

Classic films.

Provost Harrison
15-02-2003, 20:21:05
:nervous: